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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Umm, they got justice because their murderer was tried, convicted, and killed.

    We can't do anything else for the victims or change the past. I am not saying their lives didn't matter, or the murder didn't matter.

    I am trying to point out the going concern about the future of lethal injection and experimental drugs, and pondering the future of the death penalty. That is the conversation that matters to us as a nation.




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    And people wonder why we're saying the victim's don't matter to you. That part about "earthly" justice is a little creepy, though. Seems like you're saying that their death was earthly justice. Do you know something about the victims the rest of us don't?
    It's odd that you call the murderer's death justice, when, if it were up to you, it wouldn't ever have happened.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Reportedly he was conscious: "he was apparently left conscious long after the drugs were administered."
    Damn I just can't find it in me to give a **** about his suffering. Hell, more states should use that drug recipe.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I wonder what the 8th Amendment has to say about it? Is human experimentation on someone fails, then lead to slowly killing someone isnt cruel and unusual?
    For people like you, holding anyone accountable, aside conservatives, Christians and police offices is cruel and unusual.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I wonder what the 8th Amendment has to say about it? Is human experimentation on someone fails, then lead to slowly killing someone isnt cruel and unusual?
    Well give it a chance. After enough times with the same result, it won't be so unusual any more.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    The states just cant get good drugs these days.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    lets see...scumbag with a history of domestic battery shoots and kills first her father, then his girlfriend. He is dead now.

    The end.

    Who brought s'mores?

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow, that's cheap

    1000 bullets @65 dollars
    1000 Primers @ 26 dollars
    3500 grains of powder (half pound)=9 dollars

    100 dollars for 1000 rounds
    1 dollar for ten rounds

    10C a round
    For some applications I cast my own bullets from wheel weight lead. I own an auto repair shop and help other shops with technical issues so it's free to me. Just picked up 150 pounds yesterday from a local tire shop, originally the deal was $25 but he had a truck there they had been throwing parts at and still couldn't get it right. I pointed him to the problem in a couple of minutes and lead became free. WWL is ideal for 45 and 380 and for light 9mm loads. We also cast 30 cal for 30 30 and 300 blackout and stamp out gas checks from aluminum cans. The 9mm cost me $52/ 1000, 380 is less than that. Just finished a run of 45 for a guy who uses it for his backup when hog hunting (he hunts with a suppressed 30 30 and uses our subsonic 240 grain cast bullets) that are built to penetrate. They contain a steel ball that we get from used hub bearings. The ball is about .360 inch. You drop the ball in the bottom of the mold and attach a strong magnet to the bottom of the mold. The ball stays at the tip, without the magnet it would float in the molten lead. The bullet is .452 inch, so the steel never contacts the barrel. Penetration is outstanding. The ball goes thru a 6x6 wooden post. The 240 grain 30 cal is barely stable at 30 30 twist rate and tumbles on impact. Although it doesn't expand (solid cast subsonic) the tumbling gives it an effective expansion rate of 700%.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    lets see...scumbag with a history of domestic battery shoots and kills first her father, then his girlfriend. He is dead now.

    The end.

    Who brought s'mores?
    I'm not interested in s'mores unless I can heat them off his smouldering remains.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'd say something about evolving but being from the right I'd have to put up with the whole not believing in evolution bit.

    How about a quote from one of the founding fathers eh?

    "I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
    The murder and violent crime rates of today do not argue well for us having progressed of the human mind.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    for over 60 years the UK where I reside has had no death penalty.. a Matter of politicians concience, yet without this ultimate deterrent violent crime especially murder has seen a marked increase. And of course the citizens pay around $150000 a year to keep the perps in jail all this time. Without doubt the most effective manner of execution was the guillotene. Quick messy but effective. The second tried and trusted method almost without doubt was the drop. With a skilled practitioner the victim dies instantly and without the added trauma of the preparation required by these more modern scientific "humane" methods I think in his memoirs Albert Pierpointe the UK executioner who hanged most of the Nazi war criminals, from leaving the death cell to the scaffold and finally the drop would take no more that 10 seconds. Lethal Injection, Cruel and unusual I certainly think so. leave science out of it dont fix whats not broken bring back hanging.

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