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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You realize illegal immigrants don't particularly come here to get a high profile and risk being caught for fraud, right?

    You realize that the system caught everyone enroll ing on the website but only 1/6 enroll ing by phone, and now that the weakness has been identified, it's unlikely to continue, right?

    You realize people who generally try to commit fraud do so to make money, not to obtain a discounted product that, every time it's used, exposes that person to the risk of uncovering the fraud, right?

    You realize the actual incidence of people who have fake insurance and have been proven to be defrauding the government in this way is roughly zero, right?
    Illegal aliens commit fraud all the time, including identity theft.

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    They're even getting tax refunds for kids that don't even live here in the US with them...which is fraud.



    So yeah, illegal aliens WILL most certainly commit fraud.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you are mischaraterizing the law. It does not say that hospitals have to provide care to anyone that shows up.
    No, you are ignoring what is actually happening. Anyone that goes to the emergency room of a hospital will get provided health care. No matter the reason for going to the ER. A person can go to the ER for ANYTHING. No matter how trivial a matter. You can go there for a common mild cold and get health care, or even a small cut on a finger which a simple bandaid could take care of at home. Just because it is done in the ER does not mean it's not healthcare.

    So yes, anyone that shows up at a hospital, a hospital has to help regardless of income, status, or anything else you can think of.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Now, there is another aspect to this which everyone seems to be ignoring just so they can score imagined points.

    What is to stop an insurance company from sending in these false forms themselves? You know, mixed in with the real ones to make them seem legit. Or what is to stop someone from doing their homework, and pretending to own an insurance company and thereby getting the money sent to themselves? Or even pretending to be actual insurance people and getting real people to sign up with them and then one day disappearing with all the extra money they "earned" via not only those people but also from the government?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, you are ignoring what is actually happening. Anyone that goes to the emergency room of a hospital will get provided health care. No matter the reason for going to the ER. A person can go to the ER for ANYTHING. No matter how trivial a matter. You can go there for a common mild cold and get health care, or even a small cut on a finger which a simple bandaid could take care of at home. Just because it is done in the ER does not mean it's not healthcare.

    So yes, anyone that shows up at a hospital, a hospital has to show up regardless of income, status, or anything else you can think of.
    Two things

    1) It just not true that anyone will get care for anything at an ER. While many will do that, more and more ER and referring non-emergency cases to clinics and other providers where the person may or may not get treatment.

    2) The care that ER's provide is not complete. Cancer patients who show up at an ER and can't pay will not get chemo or radiation therapy if they need it. Diabetics will not get insulin or meds.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Two things

    1) It just not true that anyone will get care for anything at an ER. While many will do that, more and more ER and referring non-emergency cases to clinics and other providers where the person may or may not get treatment.

    2) The care that ER's provide is not complete. Cancer patients who show up at an ER and can't pay will not get chemo or radiation therapy if they need it. Diabetics will not get insulin or meds.
    Show proof of this.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Now, there is another aspect to this which everyone seems to be ignoring just so they can score imagined points.

    What is to stop an insurance company from sending in these false forms themselves? You know, mixed in with the real ones to make them seem legit. Or what is to stop someone from doing their homework, and pretending to own an insurance company and thereby getting the money sent to themselves? Or even pretending to be actual insurance people and getting real people to sign up with them and then one day disappearing with all the extra money they "earned" via not only those people but also from the government?
    What's to stop it?

    I'm pretty sure the law, along with fines and jail time will help stop it.

    Because that's what happens with fraud.

    And, of course, the glaring fact that NO ONE gets subsidy money sent to them- it's insurers who get the checks. If you can figure out a way to impersonate an insurance company, you might as well impersonate a hedge fund and make billions....
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Show proof of this.
    It's basic healthcare knowledge.

    I posted the law earlier- ERs provide only emergency treatment. Most medical care people need is not emergent in nature.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    What's to stop it?

    I'm pretty sure the law, along with fines and jail time will help stop it.

    Because that's what happens with fraud.

    And, of course, the glaring fact that NO ONE gets subsidy money sent to them- it's insurers who get the checks. If you can figure out a way to impersonate an insurance company, you might as well impersonate a hedge fund and make billions....
    Oh yes, just like laws have stopped murder, rape, theft, marijuana use, blue collar crimes etc etc.

    How to stop it? E-verify could actually help with this also I think. Not sure but it could be a start.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It's basic healthcare knowledge.

    I posted the law earlier- ERs provide only emergency treatment. Most medical care people need is not emergent in nature.
    Yet there isn't a single hospital in the country what won't treat someone with a common cold in the ER. Why won't they? Because it is the patient that says they have an emergency. Doctors don't get to make that determination.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh yes, just like laws have stopped murder, rape, theft, marijuana use, blue collar crimes etc etc.

    How to stop it? E-verify could actually help with this also I think. Not sure but it could be a start.
    Right. Fraud happens. We don't refuse to build highways because people might speed on them.
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