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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You realize illegal immigrants don't particularly come here to get a high profile and risk being caught for fraud, right?

    You realize that the system caught everyone enroll ing on the website but only 1/6 enroll ing by phone, and now that the weakness has been identified, it's unlikely to continue, right?

    You realize people who generally try to commit fraud do so to make money, not to obtain a discounted product that, every time it's used, exposes that person to the risk of uncovering the fraud, right?

    You realize the actual incidence of people who have fake insurance and have been proven to be defrauding the government in this way is roughly zero, right?
    It appears you find no problem in this, and we have gone back and forth so much that this is all now a retroding of the same ground. So... I'm out.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It appears you find no problem in this, and we have gone back and forth so much that this is all now a retroding of the same ground. So... I'm out.
    I have no problem with the government checking the integrity of government programs and fixing the holes, no.

    I also am not surprised that there are minor fraud concerns with a large program such as this.

    I'm also not surprised that the OP has used this example to say the entire ACA is horrible, rife with fraud, and needs to be 'scrapped", because tying a successful security operation by the GAO that shows, apparently, no actual fraud, just the possibility, is hysterical hyperbole that you apparently agree with.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It appears you find no problem in this, and we have gone back and forth so much that this is all now a retroding of the same ground. So... I'm out.
    There is no program EVER initiated that is 100% fraud-proof. With that said, finding flaws does not mean that the program should be scrapped just because flaws are found. Now, if the flaws are never fixed, that is another story.

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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    That is exactly the way this kind of administrative flaw will be exploited.

    I can see it now... If someone attempts to prevent this kind of fraud, they will be deemed "racist" just like with voter IDs.
    Who says it was a flaw?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There is no program EVER initiated that is 100% fraud-proof. With that said, finding flaws does not mean that the program should be scrapped just because flaws are found. Now, if the flaws are never fixed, that is another story.
    The whole program is a flaw.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There is no program EVER initiated that is 100% fraud-proof. With that said, finding flaws does not mean that the program should be scrapped just because flaws are found. Now, if the flaws are never fixed, that is another story.
    No argument on that. However, President Obama went on Hispanic television and stated that immigration officials will not ever check the legal status of applications, so they shouldn't worry - he followed that up with saying that only legal residents and citizens are eligible, but the damage was done at that point, and everyone that listened to him (including me) knew exactly what was being said. That in and of itself could have lead to a lot of fraud.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    An illegal immigrant can get insurance through the exchange, have the government pay for the cost of the policy, and then get the value of the coverage by using the same fraudulent identification used to get the policy, to use the policy to get health care at a reduced cost.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

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    Do you feel it is okay for non-citizens and non-legal residents to get federal tax payer subsidies for benefits meant for citizens and legal residents? Is that what you meant by your one word quip?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Do you feel it is okay for non-citizens and non-legal residents to get federal tax payer subsidies for benefits meant for citizens and legal residents? Is that what you meant by your one word quip?
    The money for subsidies comes primarily comes from insurers and people with more than $250k/yr in unearned income

    And yes, I think it's great if those people pay for health care for immigrants.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The money for subsidies comes primarily comes from insurers and people with more than $250k/yr in unearned income

    And yes, I think it's great if those people pay for health care for immigrants.
    I don't think your statement on income source is accurate - however, that aside for now, because I don't feel like spending hours researching it (again), so... I'll just dismiss that charge without prejudice, as they say in the courts.

    I'm not talking about immigrants, which is why I added the term "legal resident" which are immigrants that have not been granted full citizenship yet, and should be (are) eligible for the program.

    Are you saying illegal immigrants should be granted these benefits at tax payer expense?
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