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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    This just in: criminals use fraud to break the law.
    Non sequitur. Nice snarky quip though, which got you two likes from people that obviously like snarky quips since they use them a lot themselves, but sadly for you, your jab has nothing to do at all with the point of my question.

    Can you understand that? Or, do I need to describe it in a snarky quip given that this makes two in a row for you? I prefer to discuss things in at least some detail, but I can use your standards if you like?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    This is kind of hilarious....

    Subsidies are paid to the insurer, not the insured.

    How Does the Health Insurance Subsidy Work?

    "How Do I Get the Money?

    If you choose to get the premium tax credit in advance, the government sends the money directly to your health insurance company on your behalf. You'll never actually lay your hands on the money. Your health insurer credits that money toward your cost of health insurance premiums, decreasing how much you'll pay each month.

    If you choose to get the premium tax credit as a tax refund, the money will be included in your refund when you file your taxes. This could mean a big tax refund. But, you'll pay more for health insurance each month since you’ll be paying both your share of the premium and the share that would be have been covered by the subsidy if you'd chosen the advanced payment option. It will come out even in the end, but if you're low on cash-in-hand, you might find the advance payment option more user-friendly."
    You do understand that the policy the person gets by being given the subsidy, has VALUE??? That it is the same as getting the money? If you buy a car that costs $10,000.00 and you get a government subsidy for $9,000.00 paid directly to the dealership, you pay your $1,000.00 difference and then drive away with the car... wherefore you get the value of $10,000.00 as an asset??? It's no different here. Either cash or value not earned.

    Where the hell do you think the money is coming from and who gets the benefit of that money? The first damn sure isn't the person getting the subsidy and second damn sure isn't the people paying the taxes that get used to subsidize the purchase of the policy. And if that person used fraud to qualify, they have stolen money, not just used a fake ID to buy beer with their own money. Do you think that the big banks that defraud customers to steal their money are hilarious?

    Either way, subsidy included in your tax refund or paid directly to the insurance provider, the person gets the value of the money FOR FREAKING FREEEEEE!!!!

    If a person gets a subsidy and that person is not a citizen, or is not eligible for some other reason, they have stolen money from the tax payers.

    To say that it is hilarious, tells me all I need to know. As for me, a person that pays a tremendous amount of federal taxes each year, it's FAR from funny, much less HILARIOUS.
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    This just in: criminals use fraud to break the law.
    This just in, POTUS sponsored law requires the back door to YOUR bank be left open unattended.

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    Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You do understand that the policy the person gets by being given the subsidy, has VALUE??? That it is the same as getting the money? If you buy a car that costs $10,000.00 and you get a government subsidy for $9,000.00 paid directly to the dealership, you pay your $1,000.00 difference and then drive away with the car... wherefore you get the value of $10,000.00 as an asset??? It's no different here. Either cash or value not earned.

    Where the hell do you think the money is coming from and who gets the benefit of that money? The first damn sure isn't the person getting the subsidy and second damn sure isn't the people paying the taxes that get used to subsidize the purchase of the policy. And if that person used fraud to qualify, they have stolen money, not just used a fake ID to buy beer with their own money. Do you think that the big banks that defraud customers to steal their money are hilarious?

    Either way, subsidy included in your tax refund or paid directly to the insurance provider, the person gets the value of the money FOR FREAKING FREEEEEE!!!!

    If a person gets a subsidy and that person is not a citizen, or is not eligible for some other reason, they have stolen money from the tax payers.

    To say that it is hilarious, tells me all I need to know. As for me, a person that pays a tremendous amount of federal taxes each year, it's FAR from funny, much less HILARIOUS.
    You mean the nonexistent person is paying for insurance that will help no one?

    Or are you just shocked that insurance fraud exists?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You mean the nonexistent person is paying for insurance that will help no one?
    That's precisely how Medicare and Medicaid fraud is done.

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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You mean the nonexistent person is paying for insurance that will help no one?

    Or are you just shocked that insurance fraud exists?
    We're not shocked you don't care about fraud when it helps a political cause you support.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

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    Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities[W:17:50]Cut it out you two. Snarkiness leads to the Darkside. The Darkside leads to infraction points and thread bans. SEE THE LIGHT!
    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    This just in: criminals use fraud to break the law.
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    Non sequitur. Nice snarky quip though, which got you two likes from people that obviously like snarky quips since they use them a lot themselves, but sadly for you, your jab has nothing to do at all with the point of my question.

    Can you understand that? Or, do I need to describe it in a snarky quip given that this makes two in a row for you? I prefer to discuss things in at least some detail, but I can use your standards if you like?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You mean the nonexistent person is paying for insurance that will help no one?

    Or are you just shocked that insurance fraud exists?
    You really believe that?

    An illegal immigrant can get insurance through the exchange, have the government pay for the cost of the policy, and then get the value of the coverage by using the same fraudulent identification used to get the policy, to use the policy to get health care at a reduced cost.

    You really can't see that??? Do you understand how fraud actually benefits someone?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You really believe that?

    An illegal immigrant can get insurance through the exchange, have the government pay for the cost of the policy, and then get the value of the coverage by using the same fraudulent identification used to get the policy, to use the policy to get health care at a reduced cost.

    You really can't see that??? Do you understand how fraud actually benefits someone?
    You realize illegal immigrants don't particularly come here to get a high profile and risk being caught for fraud, right?

    You realize that the system caught everyone enroll ing on the website but only 1/6 enroll ing by phone, and now that the weakness has been identified, it's unlikely to continue, right?

    You realize people who generally try to commit fraud do so to make money, not to obtain a discounted product that, every time it's used, exposes that person to the risk of uncovering the fraud, right?

    You realize the actual incidence of people who have fake insurance and have been proven to be defrauding the government in this way is roughly zero, right?
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    Re: Investigators obtain ObamaCare coverage, subsidies using fake identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You realize illegal immigrants don't particularly come here to get a high profile and risk being caught for fraud, right?

    You realize that the system caught everyone enroll ing on the website but only 1/6 enroll ing by phone, and now that the weakness has been identified, it's unlikely to continue, right?

    You realize people who generally try to commit fraud do so to make money, not to obtain a discounted product that, every time it's used, exposes that person to the risk of uncovering the fraud, right?

    You realize the actual incidence of people who have fake insurance and have been proven to be defrauding the government in this way is roughly zero, right?
    yet they do it with medicare, medicaid and SS all the time.

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