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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So you think it best to do nothing, when a country grabs a province here and there and a dictator eradicates whole segments of his population, except to grumble and threaten and make uncomfortable noises? That will not stop the land grabbing, you know, nor give pause to dictators needing to crush demonstrators' heads. But it will make it evident to every potentate from Kiev to Peking and from Moscow to Arden and Johannesburg and produce multiple wars, civil strife and mass murder.

    That is the real tragedy of what the EU has done in Ukraine and Syria. At least the French did do something in Mali and with the UK in Libya.
    I have 0 wants to commit an American soldier to the Ukraine. It is far more a European interest than ours and they should be the ones to solve it. I don't approve of Putin's land grab. I don't believe any negotiation we could make will solve the issue with Russia. We may one day look back and equate the events in Ukraine to that of Archduke Ferdinand. I hope not, but Europe needs to lead. My $0.02 until I swayed otherwise which is possible, but I haven't been convinced that we need US boots on Ukrainian soil.
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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There are plenty of contrasts - approach, competency, political lean, background, attitude, world view, successes and failures.... how is that relevant?
    A SoS is ALWAYS the presidents "mouthpiece"
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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    A SoS is ALWAYS the presidents "mouthpiece"
    You've already stated that - so you didn't really have a point with the contrast question regarding Rice and Albright?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So you think it best to do nothing, when a country grabs a province here and there and a dictator eradicates whole segments of his population, except to grumble and threaten and make uncomfortable noises?
    In case you haven't notice, there are dicators ALL OVER the world that do that. Iran, North Korea, Africa, etc.

    So are you for the U.S. to be the world police for dictators ALL OVER the world, or are you just for blowing up brown people?

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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You've already stated that - so you didn't really have a point with the contrast question regarding Rice and Albright?
    Of course I did. You stated that Kerry is nothing but a mouthpiece for Obama, as though you were saying something profound. The SoS is always the presidents mouthpiece.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    In case you haven't notice, there are dicators ALL OVER the world that do that. Iran, North Korea, Africa, etc.

    So are you for the U.S. to be the world police for dictators ALL OVER the world, or are you just for blowing up brown people?
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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Of course I did. You stated that Kerry is nothing but a mouthpiece for Obama, as though you were saying something profound. The SoS is always the presidents mouthpiece.
    The contrast was a canard... : How surprising.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Race-baiting: Bringing race into a discussion that has no connection to race, in order to influence the conversation.
    Am I influencing the conversation? Doubtful, so you your comment is irrelevant.

    Care to actually comment on the first part instead of focusing everything on the second?

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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Am I influencing the conversation? Doubtful, so you your comment is irrelevant.

    Care to actually comment on the first part instead of focusing everything on the second?
    I am against all of them. You are the one who brought race into it.
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    Re: Two Ukrainian Jets Shot Down, Defense Ministry Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I have 0 wants to commit an American soldier to the Ukraine. It is far more a European interest than ours and they should be the ones to solve it. I don't approve of Putin's land grab. I don't believe any negotiation we could make will solve the issue with Russia. We may one day look back and equate the events in Ukraine to that of Archduke Ferdinand. I hope not, but Europe needs to lead. My $0.02 until I swayed otherwise which is possible, but I haven't been convinced that we need US boots on Ukrainian soil.
    Great post.

    Though I dont want US land involvement, we should immediately supply the Ukrainians with the best radar jammers available. The Ukrainian airforce is full of poorly maiantianed palnes. Initially, they needed to fly with out even flares, and were shot down by MANPADS. Today, they have flares, so Russia gifted the rebels with more sophisticated SA-11 radar guided missiles.

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