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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    How are you framing this a states rights issue. States did not have health exchanges nor did states offer its residents health insurance. The federal government did not force the states to form health exchanges.

    So what is the state's rights issue on this ruling?
    I was responding to Taylor when he said the following:

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    That's how the law works in this country. It's not what the law says, it's what some judge says it says (or what some judge thinks it should say to help us "progress" as a country).

    I was agreeing with him, it is not what the law says or what the consitution says, it is how some judge decides what it says. It may be there in black and white, in plain English, for all to read and easily to comprehend. But some judge through lawyerese decides it doesn't say that at all. The written word means nothing. That is what I was getting at.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They're supposed to rule on the Constitution's applicability to the law, they don't care about the Constitution anymore, they only care about their own personal feelings and their political masters.
    Why should they care, the Constitution means only what they say it means now anyway.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes and no. The courts must defer to the agencies determinations, but there are limits. Also, those agencies didn't just pop into existence. They were authorized by acts of Congress, and staffed according to the law. Political appointees were put in place by people we elected

    Like you said, we get the govt we deserve
    I will say a big AMEN to that. It is true the president appoints his political appointees, but the people who run the agencies, the bureaus, the departments, projects and the like are all civil service who were there before any president and his appointees were elected or appointed and will be there long after they are gone. They are the unseen, unelected, unappointed people who run things, the others are just there for face time.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Thats always been the difference between conservative judges and liberal ones. The hobby lobby case is a perfect example. The conservatives simply followed the law as written and the dissenting liberals followed ……. i don't know…something else - maybe a ouija board.

    It will be interesting to see how the full court rules. Do we follow laws as written or do we try to guess what legislatures really meant or what we as a court think the law *should* be.

    You can already guess based on the judge dissenting that there will probably be an attempt to legislate from the bench. He mentioned "catastrophic consequences". So in essence, he's saying that the status quo before Obamacare was "catastrophic" to the country. Clearly a judge with an agenda.


    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So what you are saying it doesn't matter one iota how the law was written, what it says in plain English. What matters is the stacking of the D.C. court by this president so he can interpret any law how he sees fit regardless of what the law actually says?

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal

    The ruling just came in and is a huge blow to the obama administration.
    The 3 judge panel ruled that only people on state run exchanges qualified per the law.

    This could pretty much end obamacare as we know if it the SCOTUS rules the same way.
    the administration of course will appeal.
    I do not see SCOTUS rulling the same way,A so called conservative judge ruled that Obama-care was legal as a tax.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Thats always been the difference between conservative judges and liberal ones. The hobby lobby case is a perfect example. The conservatives simply followed the law as written and the dissenting liberals followed ……. i don't know…something else - maybe a ouija board.

    It will be interesting to see how the full court rules. Do we follow laws as written or do we try to guess what legislatures really meant or what we as a court think the law *should* be.

    You can already guess based on the judge dissenting that there will probably be an attempt to legislate from the bench. He mentioned "catastrophic consequences". So in essence, he's saying that the status quo before Obamacare was "catastrophic" to the country. Clearly a judge with an agenda.
    That is what our judicial branch has come to, for sure
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And when it does make it to Robert's Court there is no doubt how it will rule. Just another yawn from some partisan Judges wet dream. When will they learn that the ACA is here to stay, millions of people are depending on it and more are liking it by the day.
    I believe that Roberts will rule they are constitutional. On this issue, he has not been a partisan, and his rulings up to now show that. Obamacare would be dead if not for his opinion on the tax aspect of it.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that Roberts will rule they are constitutional. On this issue, he has not been a partisan, and his rulings up to now show that. Obamacare would be dead if not for his opinion on the tax aspect of it.
    roberts has hardly been partisan. i thought his ruling on the tax issue was wrong as they constantly called it a penalty not a tax. it only became a tax when they tried to push it through the court system.

    I still say it will be a 5-4 decision either way.

    which is stupid. the law is very clear that only state run exchanges can get subsidies. it is there in black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is what our judicial branch has come to, for sure
    there are still good judges out there just few and far between. the law is suppose to be neutral and independant of ideology but you constantly have judges making crap up that doesn't even exist as long as it justifies them politically.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
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    which is stupid.
    No, it's not

    the law is very clear that only state run exchanges can get subsidies.
    No, it's not

    it is there in black and white.
    No, it's not
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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