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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It would be the SC overturning their own approval of the law, they have already ruled on subsidies.
    No, they ruled that the individual mandate could stand, on the grounds that it is a 'tax penalty' type thingy. They never ruled on anything having to do with subsidies.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Subsidies were already approved by the SC, they are part and parcel with the ACA. They will never be declared illegal now.
    Not the issue. At issue is who pays for those subsidies, the feds or the states.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    No, they ruled that the individual mandate could stand, on the grounds that it is a 'tax penalty' type thingy. They never ruled on anything having to do with subsidies.
    So it is your belief that they never read anything else but the mandate part? I believe the entire law was challenged on Constitutional grounds and that includes subsidies.

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    Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So it is your belief that they never read anything else but the mandate part? I believe the entire law was challenged on Constitutional grounds and that includes subsidies.
    No, they only ruled on what was brought before them to be judged: the individual mandate, the states' expansion of Medicaid and the exchanges, and the only one of those that they upheld was the individual mandate tax penalty thingy. The subsidies have never been brought before them for them to judge or comment on.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So it is your belief that they never read anything else but the mandate part? I believe the entire law was challenged on Constitutional grounds and that includes subsidies.
    That is not true. The Man is correct about the prior case.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    what is interesting is that this came out of the DC court of appeals which is the one that obama was trying to stack because they were destroying him on just about everything.
    i guess this stacking attempt didn't work.
    It came out of the DC circuit because they have jurisdiction.


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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So what you are saying it doesn't matter one iota how the law was written, what it says in plain English. What matters is the stacking of the D.C. court by this president so he can interpret any law how he sees fit regardless of what the law actually says?
    That's how the law works in this country. It's not what the law says, it's what some judge says it says (or what some judge thinks it should say to help us "progress" as a country).

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The only way that can be determined is if you examine the entire text of the bill to see if there are any provisions worded in a way that conflicts with text in Sec 1311 (the section that states that the tax credits are only authorized is exchanges "established by the States")

    IOW, the before you can say "According to the way the law is written" you have to look at the entire bill, and not just one phrase
    Okay, I'll buy that. But according to that paragraph it does seem pretty straight forward. As straight forward and lawyer legislature who let lobbyist write most of the bills can be. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the bill was written which states this can't be done in para A, but in Para B the same law states this will be done.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That's how the law works in this country. It's not what the law says, it's what some judge says it says (or what some judge thinks it should say to help us "progress" as a country).
    Yeah, it is easy to see why the federal government has become omni-powerful when section 8, Article I of the Constitution is completely ignored as to what powers the federal will have. Along with the 10th Amendment with states all the rest of the power resides with the states or the people.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Does anybody know what the heck is going in Washington these days? Why do we the people keep electing imbeciles. I know, because we the people like their bumper sticker slogans and they tell us what we want to hear.
    Not only that, but everyone thinks congress and the senate is awful, but their congressman and senators are great, it's everyone else's that are the problem.

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