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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal

    The ruling just came in and is a huge blow to the obama administration.
    The 3 judge panel ruled that only people on state run exchanges qualified per the law.

    This could pretty much end obamacare as we know if it the SCOTUS rules the same way.
    the administration of course will appeal.
    This is the most debilitating ruling they could have gotten. The federal exchanges might continue to operate but without the subsidies a lot of people won't sign up. The insurance companies will have to drop out.

    What are the chances that the President will be able to reach a deal with the Republicans to fix this mess? Maybe if he insults, belittles, mocks, and harangues them some more they'll come around.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    This is the most debilitating ruling they could have gotten. The federal exchanges might continue to operate but without the subsidies a lot of people won't sign up. The insurance companies will have to drop out.

    What are the chances that the President will be able to reach a deal with the Republicans to fix this mess? Maybe if he insults, belittles, mocks, and harangues them some more they'll come around.
    yep it is. they won't have to sign up as long as subsidies are not offered there is no penalty or either individual or business.
    36 states would operate the way they did before the ACA.

    LOL yeah maybe if he does that. however a pile of crap with honey on it is still crap.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    OK, title is misleading. This was a panel in the DC court, not the full court. And 2 hours later, the full 4th Appeals court in Virginia ruled that the subsidies are not illegal, which makes it 3 appeals courts to one court panel that the subsidies are legal. 4 rulings, and there is a divide, which means that this will go straight to SCOTUS. That final decision will be made later this year, and maybe sooner if this case is fast tracked.

    And kudos to FOX News, who originally mistakenly reported to it's viewers that today's decision by the DC appellate court panel was a SCOTUS decision. LOL.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, title is misleading. This was a panel in the DC court, not the full court. And 2 hours later, the full 4th Appeals court in Virginia ruled that the subsidies are not illegal, which makes it 3 appeals courts to one court panel that the subsidies are legal. 4 rulings, and there is a divide, which means that this will go straight to SCOTUS. That final decision will be made later this year, and maybe sooner if this case is fast tracked.

    And kudos to FOX News, who originally mistakenly reported to it's viewers that today's decision by the DC appellate court panel was a SCOTUS decision. LOL.
    BAM!
    This shut them all up!
    Thanks for some perspective on all this danarhea.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    BAM!
    This shut them all up!
    Thanks for some perspective on all this danarhea.
    Actually, I don't think anyone disagreed with danarea.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, title is misleading. This was a panel in the DC court, not the full court. And 2 hours later, the full 4th Appeals court in Virginia ruled that the subsidies are not illegal, which makes it 3 appeals courts to one court panel that the subsidies are legal. 4 rulings, and there is a divide, which means that this will go straight to SCOTUS. That final decision will be made later this year, and maybe sooner if this case is fast tracked.

    And kudos to FOX News, who originally mistakenly reported to it's viewers that today's decision by the DC appellate court panel was a SCOTUS decision. LOL.
    I'm convinced that the ruling you cite is correct. Section 1321 of the ACA clearly authorizes the creation of federal exchanges, and so it could not have been the intent of the law to exclude the federal exchanges from subsidies regardless of the language of section 1311.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    BAM!
    This shut them all up!
    Thanks for some perspective on all this danarhea.
    Are we engaged in some sort of high school pissing contest here?

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I'm convinced that the ruling you cite is correct. Section 1321 of the ACA clearly authorizes the creation of federal exchanges, and so it could not have been the intent of the law to exclude the federal exchanges from subsidies regardless of the language of section 1311.
    This may be true, but the court, if they're honest, can't rule on intent. They have to rule on the way the law is written. This is why bills need to be read, proofread and revised before they are passed.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Are we engaged in some sort of high school pissing contest here?
    The perspective of reality always puts conjectured, extreme claims in their place.
    Anti Obama Republicons have been trying to piss on the ACA since it's inception so...
    Yeah ... You could say that...

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    According to the way the law is written only state exchanges are authorized to issue subsidies. But this is in plain English and Lawyerese where shall not mean you will and you will means you won't.
    The only way that can be determined is if you examine the entire text of the bill to see if there are any provisions worded in a way that conflicts with text in Sec 1311 (the section that states that the tax credits are only authorized is exchanges "established by the States")

    IOW, the before you can say "According to the way the law is written" you have to look at the entire bill, and not just one phrase
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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