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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    It would have made the decision easier, but I'm sure it was decided prior to that regulation. However, it does make the government's job of arguing for "state"="government" in an appeal impossible.
    i agree with that as well. of course they are back to their double talking about it's a penalty not a tax. its a tax not a penalty.
    i can't believe 1 judge the head judge was confused by that.

    in any case there is no way they can argue that the federal government is the states when it isn't the states and there is no indication that subsidies will be given to all people on all exchanges. it clearly says only those on the exchanges created by the State.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is neither here or there that is the ruling that they passed down. the administration can appeal to full court or they can appeal to the SCOTUS.
    not sure which one they are goign to do, but the current ruling is that the subsidies based on the law as written is illegal.

    i guess this is why you should read something before you pass it.
    The funny thing is that this is probably one of the more hands on parts of the bill. Everyone knew it was in there. The bill was written with these subsidies rules as the carrot to entice states to set up their own exchanges. When only 16 states did that the Administration and the IRS decided to change the law unilaterally.

    You don't get to rewrite a law just because it doesn't work. That needs to go back through congress.

    Unfortunately Obama had already demonized the House at that point.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    evidently that is how the appeals court saw it as well. they full said that the federal exchanges are not the state exchanges and nor could they represent the states either.
    that the law written the way that it was clearly meant that the subsidies were to inspire states to make their own exchanges.

    that it didn't include the federal exchanges.
    I understand, but I do not trust the courts to be able to read plain English. But I will keep my fingers crossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I understand, but I do not trust the courts to be able to read plain English. But I will keep my fingers crossed.
    there was another appeals court that just upheld all that they could but i don't see how they can. it is right there in black and white.
    this will go to the SCOTUS and in a 5-4 decision get shot down or upheld.

    given the last 5-4 on this i would hope that it would go the other way.

    i don't see how any judge that has any level of reading comprehension can say that it is ambigious enough to mean everyone was included.
    only an ideologue would say that. the law is very clear in the way it was written and the DC court got it right.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Appeals Courts Issue Conflicting Rulings on Health-Law Subsidies - WSJ

    WASHINGTON—Two U.S. appeals courts issued conflicting rulings on whether consumers can receive subsidies for health coverage purchased on insurance exchanges established by the federal government, clouding implementation of a major component of the Obama administration's signature health care law.

    In a substantial blow to the administration, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, on a 2-1 vote, invalidated an Internal Revenue Service regulation that implemented a key piece of the 2010 Affordable Care Act. The regulation said subsidies for health insurance were available to qualifying middle- and low-income consumers whether they bought coverage on a state exchange or one run by the federal government.

    Two hours later, a Richmond, Va.-based appeals court reached the opposite conclusion, unanimously upholding the IRS rule.
    It baffles me how judges (supposed to be the cream of the crop when it comes to the law) can look at a law and come to completely different decisions.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    there was another appeals court that just upheld all that they could but i don't see how they can. it is right there in black and white.
    this will go to the SCOTUS and in a 5-4 decision get shot down or upheld.

    given the last 5-4 on this i would hope that it would go the other way.

    i don't see how any judge that has any level of reading comprehension can say that it is ambigious enough to mean everyone was included.
    only an ideologue would say that. the law is very clear in the way it was written and the DC court got it right.
    And that is the problem nowadays, judges are chosen for their political ideology and agenda, not for their reading and comprehensive skills. Their judicial abilities and comprehension of judicial statues and even the constitution is of little consequence when appointing judges. It is all about political agenda.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal

    The ruling just came in and is a huge blow to the obama administration.
    The 3 judge panel ruled that only people on state run exchanges qualified per the law.

    This could pretty much end obamacare as we know if it the SCOTUS rules the same way.
    the administration of course will appeal.
    Is that how the CBO determined it would save more money than earlier projected. LOLs
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Appeals Courts Issue Conflicting Rulings on Health-Law Subsidies - WSJ



    It baffles me how judges (supposed to be the cream of the crop when it comes to the law) can look at a law and come to completely different decisions.
    I continue to be baffled by the original decision where it was argued it was not a tax and then decided it couldn't be heard because it was a tax.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I continue to be baffled by the original decision where it was argued it was not a tax and then decided it couldn't be heard because it was a tax.
    It is the problems of judges making up their own laws instead of following the law.
    this isn't rocket science. any court that approves that these subsidies were supposed to go to everyone isn't reading the law.

    they were only suppose to go to states that setup exchanges.

    now the flip side of this is that obama assumed that everyone and all the states would just sign up for it. so there wouldn't be any contention.
    it is the same issue that he ran across with the medicaid mandate.

    the whole thing was based on all states having to expand medicaid.

    i am sure it will be 5-4 but there is no way that the supreme court will say that subsidies were meant for everyone when they weren't.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    he can try but even he can't change the wording in law like that and i am sure if he tried it would be challanged in court again and they should shoot him down again.
    2 years can't come soon enough to get this fool out of office.
    Wording in the Law is one thing but the Law's proponents claim the intention was not meant to apply only to States.

    Face it ... those people play word games to get what they want and they're very good at it in a Community Organizer kind of way.
    Unfortunately the Courts are more than ever loaded with similar-thinking Judges.

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