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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Gruber said it on 2 different occasions.
    The guy must be prone to error.
    And that's only two that we know about so far...

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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You called him a liar, but you believe him when it he says something you like.
    Yes, I believe him when he has no reason to lie and provide less credibility to him when he has reason to lie. I would expect most people would.

    I doubt you will even admit that your ruling does not have any force of law
    The court ruled it was not legal. They stayed their decision. Again. You have made progress today. That's fairly new for you. So, i'll leave it there as I am sure your pretty well tired.

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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, I believe him when he has no reason to lie and provide less credibility to him when he has reason to lie. I would expect most people would.
    Yes, you pretend he's not a liar when he says something you like, and pretend he is a liar when he says something you don't

    The court ruled it was not legal. They stayed their decision. Again. You have made progress today. That's fairly new for you. So, i'll leave it there as I am sure your pretty well tired.
    No force of law. Subsidies are legal in all exchanges
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, you pretend he's not a liar when he says something you like, and pretend he is a liar when he says something you don't
    Again.. Showing you do not understand.

    No force of law. Subsidies are legal in all exchanges
    And yet they still ruled they are illegal. Parse it however you want to make yourself feel good.

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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    And that's only two that we know about so far...
    He probably had chuckled about the brilliance of his "State Exchange" plan on many occasions over sips of Chardonnay at Soros' dinner parties.

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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Again.. Showing you do not understand.
    SHowing the only argument you have is "nuh-uh"

    And yet they still ruled they are illegal. Parse it however you want to make yourself feel good.
    They are still legal. Parse that however you want to make yourself feel good.
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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, citing your memory as evidence certainly won't do it. My state didn't set up an exchange, and I remember no one who gave a crap other than bureaucrats because I recall no mention/suggestion/statement of fact that whether we set one up determined whether our residents qualified for credits.
    OH, so my memory isn't **** to you, but yours is supposed to carry weight with me? If you don't believe me, DP has a rather extensive library on past threads...Start looking.
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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OH, so my memory isn't **** to you, but yours is supposed to carry weight with me? If you don't believe me, DP has a rather extensive library on past threads...Start looking.
    I expect you to give the same credence to my memory that I'm giving to yours, which is very, very little. And I'll pass on doing your research for you. If there's some post you want to cite as evidence, cite it.

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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post

    they put themselves in this position by passing a bill they didn't read. the DC court got it correct.

    the subsidies clause does not mention anything about the federal exchanges.
    Reading the whole law is important.

    (c) Failure to establish Exchange or implement requirements
    (1) In general
    If—
    (A) a State is not an electing State under subsection (b); or
    (B) the Secretary determines, on or before January 1, 2013, that an electing State—
    (i) will not have any required Exchange operational by January 1, 2014; or
    (ii) has not taken the actions the Secretary determines necessary to implement—
    (I) the other requirements set forth in the standards under subsection (a); or
    (II) the requirements set forth in subtitles A and C and the amendments made by such subtitles;
    the Secretary shall (directly or through agreement with a not-for-profit entity) establish and operate such Exchange within the State and the Secretary shall take such actions as are necessary to implement such other requirements.
    The Federal exchanges are the same thing as the state exchanges due to this wording.
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    Re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Reading the whole law is important.



    The Federal exchanges are the same thing as the state exchanges due to this wording.
    yep i read the law and so did the DC court. the federal government is not a state.
    also if you read the thing you quoted it said the Secretary shall operate not the state. therefore it wasn't established by the state but by the secretary.
    so please tell me when the position of secratary was given statehood?

    accoring to the last definition by the Secretary state meant states and not the federal government.

    you are trying to play word games that don't exist.

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