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    Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the Feds are covering at least 90% of the costs into perpetuity
    And that is what most states who didn't expand Medicaid are wary about. There is never a guarantee when the federal government makes claims like that.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    lol Disbarring judges because you don't agree with their rulings isn't how it works either.
    no disbarring judges for not doing their jobs is legit. their jobs is not to introduce politics into a ruling. it is to rule on the merit of the law without politics.
    if they want to get into politics then they can run for house or senate and stop being a judge.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal

    The ruling just came in and is a huge blow to the obama administration.
    The 3 judge panel ruled that only people on state run exchanges qualified per the law.

    This could pretty much end obamacare as we know if it the SCOTUS rules the same way.
    the administration of course will appeal.
    Good. I hope everyone has to pay out the ass! Maybe then they'll realize what a mistake their support of these liars is.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good. I hope everyone has to pay out the ass! Maybe then they'll realize what a mistake their support of these liars is.
    Imagine if all of the illegal subsidy receivers lose their entire income tax return to pay back the money that they illegally received. Holy hell we'll never hear the end of it!

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Precisely. That's going to be a hell of a cost that most states can't afford, and most (all?) of the states who did expand Medicaid will not be able to afford. But, plenty of people on here argue that it will never cost the states anything.
    It is worse than what they realize. if a person signs up for medicaid that would have qualified previously but didn't sign up then the government doesn't have to pay that 100%. they pay the old rate.

    also the 100% only applies to new signups under the ACA it doesn't apply to existing people.

    so if you had 1m people sign up and 600k of them were elidgable under the old system then the state has to pay the old rate which is usually 60/40 or so.
    which means huge cost increases for states.

    needless to say this is going to the SCOTUS no matter what.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the Feds are covering at least 90% of the costs into perpetuity
    On the Obamacare Medicaid Expansion website it says.....

    "The Federal Government pays 100% of expansion costs for the first three years and 90% thereafter until 2022.
    Last edited by Moot; 07-23-14 at 09:08 PM.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no disbarring judges for not doing their jobs is legit. their jobs is not to introduce politics into a ruling. it is to rule on the merit of the law without politics.
    if they want to get into politics then they can run for house or senate and stop being a judge.
    Of course that's how it should be but that's not the reality. Today everything is politicized...even women's vaginas.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    And that is what most states who didn't expand Medicaid are wary about. There is never a guarantee when the federal government makes claims like that.
    It's the law.

    And while there's no guarantee that the law won't change, if it does the states can cancel the expansion
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's the law.

    And while there's no guarantee that the law won't change, if it does the states can cancel the expansion
    It's the law, 90% until 2022, not forever. And no, canceling the expansion is not so simple. You see already how difficult it is to cancel Obamacare. The federal government is notorious for leaving unfunded mandates to the states to pay for. Not getting into it in the first place was a smart decision for the 36 states who opted not to.
    Last edited by The Man; 07-24-14 at 12:31 AM.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    On the Obamacare Medicaid Expansion website it says.....

    "The Federal Government pays 100% of expansion costs for the first three years and 90% thereafter until 2022.
    Yes, it does say that, but if you look at Sec 2001 of the PPACA (which is the section which sets the reimbursement rates for the Medicaid expansion) you'll see that it does not say that. It talks about the rate dropping in 2017-201 and then again for "2019 and succeeding years" It says nothing about it ending in 2022
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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