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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Future court hearings will prove that statement true or false.
    Wrong again

    No matter how future hearings turn out, the one you pointed out will not have the force of law. The future hearing will, but that one won't
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    Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Medicaid is a federal and state subsidy for health insurance. The court ruled that the expansion of Medicaid is constitutional which can only happen if existing subsidies for Medicaid are constitutional as well.
    Medicaid expansion is constitutional, yes. But they ruled that it is unconstitutional to force states to expand Medicaid, and most of them chose not to. A lot of them chose not to, not to be mean or on political ideologies, but because they had a lot of unanswered questions, and/or they don't believe the federal government will make good on their end of the deal in the future.
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No one seems to deny that the SCOTUS has political bias in favor of conservatives. Isn't that why you hope it goes to the SCOTUS?
    The thing is, SCOTUS has a bias towards business, and guess where the subsidies end up?
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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No one seems to deny that the SCOTUS has political bias in favor of conservatives.
    Yes, because the first PPACA ruling favored the conservative view.

    Isn't that why you hope it goes to the SCOTUS?
    Nope. I am just pointing out that the reality is that which ever side disagrees with the circuit court decision will push it up to the SCOTUS on appeal.

    Also, I am not sure how after the first SCOTUS ruling on PPACA you think I would have any expectations on the ruling for Halbig.
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    Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal

    The bottom line is: You don't write a convoluted, absurdly complex bill, have no one read it in its entirety, and then pass it on the premise of 'we have to pass it to see what's in it'.

    We all knew there would be numerous lawsuits over this POS, and they will likely continue for decades. I guess it gives the Supreme Court job security though.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Medicaid expansion is constitutional, yes. But they ruled that it is unconstitutional to force states to expand Medicaid, and most of them chose not to. A lot of them chose not to, not to be mean or on political ideologies, but because they had a lot of unanswered questions, and/or they don't believe the federal government will make good on their end of the deal in the future.
    I think many of the states who opted out did so because after a few years most of the cost of Medicaid expansion would be shifted to the states. The states that opted out also have the most uninsured who would qualify for Medicaid under ACA and don't under their current State guidelines.

    The Federal Government pays 100% of expansion costs for the first three years and 90% thereafter until 2022.
    It's debatable whether the states opting out are doing it for political reasons....but it sure looks like they are....

    Some people say state's opt-ing out of Medicaid expansion is part of an ongoing effort to "break" ObamaCare regardless of the cost to the people. Other tactics include opt-ing out of creating exchanges, expensive disinformation campaigns, a Government shutdown, suing the President, 50 plus repeal attempts, and more.
    ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion

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    Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think many of the states who opted out did so because after a few years most of the cost of Medicaid expansion would be shifted to the states.
    Precisely. That's going to be a hell of a cost that most states can't afford, and most (all?) of the states who did expand Medicaid will not be able to afford. But, plenty of people on here argue that it will never cost the states anything.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    The bottom line is: You don't write a convoluted, absurdly complex bill, have no one read it in its entirety, and then pass it on the premise of 'we have to pass it to see what's in it'.

    We all knew there would be numerous lawsuits over this POS, and they will likely continue for decades. I guess it gives the Supreme Court job security though.
    I don't think job security was ever a worry for the SCOTUS. lol




    The bottom line is: you don't shut down the government because you didn't get your way, either.

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't think job security was ever a worry for the SCOTUS. lol




    The bottom line is: you don't shut down the government because you didn't get your way, either.
    Who shut down the government when Obamacare was being passed?

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    re: Federal Court rules Most obamacare subsidies Illegal[W:286]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think many of the states who opted out did so because after a few years most of the cost of Medicaid expansion would be shifted to the states.
    Actually, the Feds are covering at least 90% of the costs into perpetuity
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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