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Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

They are going to interview over a couple thousand or hundred thousand school kids?

a random selection of 1500 or so will do.

it doesn't strike you as odd to ask the administrators if the kids like their food?

hell ,asking the "lunch ladies" or the janitors would give us a better idea of what the kids like... administrators are disconnected and political ( not in the partisan sense)
 
a random selection of 1500 or so will do.

it doesn't strike you as odd to ask the administrators if the kids like their food?

hell ,asking the "lunch ladies" or the janitors would give us a better idea of what the kids like... administrators are disconnected and political ( not in the partisan sense)

Wouldn't the administrators know what is being spent and what is being thrown away?
 
Wouldn't the administrators know what is being spent and what is being thrown away?

spent?.. I would hope so.
thrown away?... doubtful.

ask the janitors what's being thrown away.. they'll know ;)

in any event, if you want to know if people like things, you ask them if they like them.... ya don't ask disconnected proxies
 
spent?.. I would hope so.
thrown away?... doubtful.

Why not? Money doesn't grow on trees.Why wouldn't an administrator know if food was being wasted?
 
Why not? Money doesn't grow on trees.Why wouldn't an administrator know if food was being wasted?

i'd imagine they have a bit more on their plate to worry about other than refuse audits...


you seem to be awfully opposed to asking the kids themselves if they like the food...is there a reason for that?
 
i'd imagine they have a bit more on their plate to worry about other than refuse audits...

I am pretty sure they would want to know if money was being wasted.Because teachers might ask for new school books, school equipment, maintenance for schools, and etc.And so that issue of money might come up.

you seem to be awfully opposed to asking the kids themselves if they like the food...is there a reason for that?

I do not think asking a tiny handful of students will give a clear indication out of the thousands or couple thousands of kids who attend the school want and wether or not the kids will actually be honest.

I am sure someone can do a study on the kids and divide the kids into different categories. Like kids on free lunch whose parents let them eat what ever they want, kids on free lunch whose parents do not let them eat what ever they want, kids on paid lunches whose parents let their kids eat what ever they want and kids on paid lunches whose parents do not let them eat what ever they want.And am sure they can then further divide those groups by race, sex and body size.
 
I am pretty sure they would want to know if money was being wasted.Because teachers might ask for new school books, school equipment, maintenance for schools, and etc.And so that issue of money might come up.
it might come up, but as there will always be waste food.. and there always has been.... it would require some diligent studying ( trash audits) to make an informed decision.... and really, i don't see school administrators spending much money on trash audits if they are seeking more money.



I do not think asking a tiny handful of students will give a clear indication out of the thousands or couple thousands of kids who attend the school want and whether or not the kids will actually be honest.
so when the question is " do kids like the healthier lunches?".. the kids themselves are off limits to ask because they might not tell the truth?

if a small random selection if kids ( which is how polls are done) isn't likely to give a clear indication on how the kids really feel.. how in the hell does asking an even smaller group of proxies (school administrators ) give a clear indication?

the answer to the questions can only be a personal opinion... either the kids like the meals, or they do not like them....administrators are in no position to give a kids opinion on anything.

picture this in an office environment.. the CEO say "we're gonna switch form the regular old coffee we have always provided to this healthy coffee, because it's better for you".. ok, super....then the we call for a study over whether or not the employees like the new coffee.
who do you ask?.. the employees who drink the coffee?.. or the regional manager whom the employees rarely interact with?

I am sure someone can do a study on the kids and divide the kids into different categories. Like kids on free lunch whose parents let them eat what ever they want, kids on free lunch whose parents do not let them eat what ever they want, kids on paid lunches whose parents let their kids eat what ever they want and kids on paid lunches whose parents do not let them eat what ever they want.And am sure they can then further divide those groups by race, sex and body size.
there's no real need to divide up anything in to little demographics groups.. just ask the kids if they like the food or not.

there's no reason to make this difficult... it's a simple question with 2 possible answers.
 
I cannot tell you how many pounds of green beans, corn and carrots I've seen that are dumped into the trash in the school cafeteria everyday.

Are the dumped vegetables the gray canned crap they served when I was in school? That is not the same as providing good fresh vegetables.
 
After being indoctrinated throughout the school year that the lunches are so much better, of course those results would be expected.

Its not indoctrination if it is true. Its education.
 
it might come up, but as there will always be waste food.. and there always has been.... it would require some diligent studying ( trash audits) to make an informed decision.... and really, i don't see school administrators spending much money on trash audits if they are seeking more money. .
Food can get expensive and if enough kids are throwing food away then it is a waste of money that could have went to something else.




so when the question is " do kids like the healthier lunches?".. the kids themselves are off limits to ask because they might not tell the truthif a small random selection if kids ( which is how polls are done) isn't likely to give a clear indication on how the kids really feel..

Many kids claim to not like something in order to hold out for something they would rather have. For example anytime my family goes to a Chinese restaurant one of my nieces says she hates Chinese food, but when we go there she piles her plate with all kinds of Chinese food and eats most of it. I am sure if you asked a child would you rather have ice cream or a cauliflower they will say they hate cauliflower to get the ice cream.

how in the hell does asking an even smaller group of proxies (school administrators ) give a clear indication?

Because they would know if the kids are eating the food.


the answer to the questions can only be a personal opinion... either the kids like the meals, or they do not like them....administrators are in no position to give a kids opinion on anything.

They are in a position to know if the kids are eating it.

picture this in an office environment.. the CEO say "we're gonna switch form the regular old coffee we have always provided to this healthy coffee, because it's better for you".. ok, super....then the we call for a study over whether or not the employees like the new coffee.
who do you ask?.. the employees who drink the coffee?.. or the regional manager whom the employees rarely interact with?

I think the regional manager would know if that coffee they are buying is being used.

there's no real need to divide up anything in to little demographics groups.. just ask the kids if they like the food or not.
there's no reason to make this difficult... it's a simple question with 2 possible answers

Kids whose parents let them eat what ever they are want are most likely not going to eat the healthier food.Kids whose parents do not let their kids eat what ever they want will most likely eat what ever is offered.
 
Food can get expensive and if enough kids are throwing food away then it is a waste of money that could have went to something else.






Many kids claim to not like something in order to hold out for something they would rather have. For example anytime my family goes to a Chinese restaurant one of my nieces says she hates Chinese food, but when we go there she piles her plate with all kinds of Chinese food and eats most of it. I am sure if you asked a child would you rather have ice cream or a cauliflower they will say they hate cauliflower to get the ice cream.



Because they would know if the kids are eating the food.




They are in a position to know if the kids are eating it.



I think the regional manager would know if that coffee they are buying is being used.



Kids whose parents let them eat what ever they are want are most likely not going to eat the healthier food.Kids whose parents do not let their kids eat what ever they want will most likely eat what ever is offered.

the question is not " are the kids eating their lunch?" or "would you rather eat something else?"

the question the study is about is whether the kids like the meals... or "find them agreeable"

why on earth you have such a problem asking the kids of they actually like their meals is waaay beyond me... but they are the only ones that know the correct answer.

I don't have a dog in this particular hunt, so i really don't care what you feed them or if they eat it... what i'm saying is that it's best to go to the horses mouth if you want it's answer... asking anyone else is stupid.
 
Administrators from Chicago area schools state that their students like Mo'bamas offerings. I. AM. SHOCKED!!!

What an Obama plot! How dare anyone support heathly food! The bastards!

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Healthier?
See above Pic.


Indoctrination is not a Government's job.
Or would you prefer that the Gov indoctrinate everybody to socialist ideals? Or how about liberal ideals?
Or maybe you want Gov to indoctrinate to Conservative ideals?


So again, we need less Gov control and less Gov influence.

Teaching what foods are healthy and what foods are not is not even remotely comparable to "indoctrination." Your point of view on this issue is utterly absurd.
 
The government indoctrinated me to think 2+2=4 and that the earth is spherical.
 
What an Obama plot! How dare anyone support heathly food! The bastards!

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Taht no one wants.

So...you are full on board with the idea that we should replace ALL food stamps and government subsistence with the Mo'bama prepackaged food plans, right?
 
Taht no one wants.

So...you are full on board with the idea that we should replace ALL food stamps and government subsistence with the Mo'bama prepackaged food plans, right?

Who's "Mo'bama"?
 
Indoctrinate means: to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs

Facts are not "ideas, opinions or beliefs", they are facts. Example of a Fact: Carrots are healthier for you than hot dogs.

If you have an opinion that is in opposition to a fact, then you are a ****ing retard and your opinion is ****ing worthless.

EVERYONE should fully accept facts and reject opinions that try to defy the facts. that's not called indoctrination, that's called not being a ****ing retard.
 
the question is not " are the kids eating their lunch?" or "would you rather eat something else?"

the question the study is about is whether the kids like the meals... or "find them agreeable"

why on earth you have such a problem asking the kids of they actually like their meals is waaay beyond me... but they are the only ones that know the correct answer.

I don't have a dog in this particular hunt, so i really don't care what you feed them or if they eat it... what i'm saying is that it's best to go to the horses mouth if you want it's answer... asking anyone else is stupid.
When asking these kids if they liked their meal how do you ensure that they are being honest about their answer? How do you distinguish the difference between an honest No I do not like it from a I am only saying no because I want the old food back or I am only saying no because I am holding out for something better answer? Kids are smarter than we give them credit for.
 
Who's "Mo'bama"?

Yo mama.

And apparently that of all the school kids. And since you embrace her healthy choice school menus the. I'm sure you also agree that we MUST end all cash, food stamp, and EBT programs and give those families pre-packaged Mo'bama lunch specials. Right? It's healthy. Do it for the children.
 
So..why are we reducing caloric intake in school cafeterias at a time when (allegedly) childhood hunger is at an all-time high?

This does not compute.

Child hunger isn't an all time high. Child obesity is at an all time high. I'm pretty familiar with healthy diets and have on a number of occasion beaten some posters senseless because they simply do not know what they are discussing. A simple healthy diet is no more expensive than going to McDonald's. However, people have been indoctrinated into thinking that healthy food is expensive. This has been done by corporations and to some extent the laissez faire mentality of many capitalists.

The poor are the most affected by this approach. They are continually told that going to a local farmer's market is something the rich do. They are told that prepared foods are inexpensive. The reality is that prepared foods are overtaxed (which means the government gets their share) and produced with low quality ingredients (which means corporations make a killing) high in corn fructose.

All of that ensures that they walk like sheep into the nearest big box store where they cater to the poor and make sure they get fatter. They are told that they can't afford locally produced food and then they are told that it's easier, better, faster to buy it pre-cooked when that just couldn't be further from the truth. I find it outright abhorrent how the lower class has been taught to love ****ty food with the banners of 'Murica and Freedom waving high.

The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted if they saw the word freedom being used to turn our population into a bunch of fat ****s who couldn't defend the country if it needed them. Well, they would have been disgusted, then they would have cut the heads off the owners of Kraft, Coca-Cola, Mars & P&G.

The best part is that it's clearly and without a doubt the beloved capitalism of old that right wingers are least likely to be blamed for obesity in this country. Kids have been conditioned through generations of constant ad bombardments to believe that 24-7 television, ordering pizza and sitting all day eating and playing video games is normal behavior for kids. There isn't a single period in human history where being inside for 10 hours a day eating and staring a single spot on the houses' wall was normal child behavior. So then who do we blame? The parents. Are you kidding?

The parents were conditioned to do that too in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and now the 10s by their baby boomer grandparents or parents. So how do you criticize a parenting style that wasn't an issue for at least 60 years? You don't. You cut it at the source and restrict the way ads are presented and where they can be presented or you create initiatives for companies to improve their products.

Give tax rebates for companies who make healthier products. Reschedule advertising on children's television (for example: instead of a 24 mins show with 4 commercial breaks - have a 6 min commercial break between shows.). Lower taxes on local farmers. Create bus routes that specifically lead the poor to cheap food markets. Bring back cooking classes in schools, make them compulsory and use them as an excuse to teach healthy diets. Those are really simple options that can help the populace make better choices regarding what to eat.
 
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Yo mama.

And apparently that of all the school kids. And since you embrace her healthy choice school menus the. I'm sure you also agree that we MUST end all cash, food stamp, and EBT programs and give those families pre-packaged Mo'bama lunch specials. Right? It's healthy. Do it for the children.

Well, no, I don't; that said, I think it would be prudent to exclude certain items from food stamp/EBT eligibility in favor of more nutritious staples.
 
So..why are we reducing caloric intake in school cafeterias at a time when (allegedly) childhood hunger is at an all-time high?

This does not compute.

:citation needed:

Who is claiming this?
 
Lol, if it's for the kids, you people just happily follow along. "Oh how can you be against THIS it's for the CHILDREN!". Sad.

Here's the problem with your argument, the government was choosing the lunches beforehand. This is not the government stepping in where it doesn't belong, this is just the government making a better choice where they already had control.
 
Well, no, I don't; that said, I think it would be prudent to exclude certain items from food stamp/EBT eligibility in favor of more nutritious staples.
Huh...REEEEEAAAALLLLLLYYYYYYY. so...its OK to force a 'healthy school meal (that no one wants) on school chilluns, but not on recipients of food stamps, even though it s allegedly healthy and the right thing to do? Thats not at all shocking.
 
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