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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    If the taxpayers in those districts had to option to vote on whether or not their district would accept the bribes, then you would have a point. The district school boards don't necessarily give a sh*t. As far as they are concerned, it's manna from heaven. So what if a significant port of the lunches end up drawing flies in the dumpster.
    You can't show that a "significant portion" of the food is being thrown out, particularly compared to what was thrown away before.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You can't show that a "significant portion" of the food is being thrown out, particularly compared to what was thrown away before.
    My point stands. The schools that instituted the program are motivated by bribes from the feds. Take away the bribes and the districts would be more concerned with what the parents and the kids want then what moochelle wants.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    My point stands. The schools that instituted the program are motivated by bribes from the feds. Take away the bribes and the districts would be more concerned with what the parents and the kids want then what moochelle wants.
    Parents have very little say in what the school provides for the children with or without the government money. That money has been around for awhile. If the parents cared, they would either a) provide their children with lunches from home or b) ensure their schools had enough money to pay for lunches on their own. In reality, without the money from the feds, the districts wouldn't care about the children or the parents anymore than they do now, they would simply work out what was best for their budgets.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Parents have very little say in what the school provides for the children with or without the government money. That money has been around for awhile. If the parents cared, they would either a) provide their children with lunches from home or b) ensure their schools had enough money to pay for lunches on their own. In reality, without the money from the feds, the districts wouldn't care about the children or the parents anymore than they do now, they would simply work out what was best for their budgets.
    You are assuming based merely on your own views.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    You are assuming based merely on your own views.
    I am basing it on the fact that I am a parent with children in school. I know how the system works even beyond that though because I do research. Parents have had little say in what was served at school, especially the majority of parents. Most parents nowdays work hours that don't even allow for them to care about such things. If they find their kids complaining and they feel the complaint is valid, most simply start sending their child with a lunch to school, or in older students cases, may simply make sure they can get their own food somewhere else. Many parents likely have no real issue with the new healthier food, unless their children are complaining majorly about it. The price is much more a concern to parents than the quality of the food.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    My point stands. The schools that instituted the program are motivated by bribes from the feds. Take away the bribes and the districts would be more concerned with what the parents and the kids want then what moochelle wants.
    If the parents don't like what is on the school lunch menu, all they have to do is do what we do and pack their kid's lunch. However, if a lunch is on the taxpayers dime, then the taxpayer has a financial incentive for that lunch being fairly healthy as many of the kids eating school lunches are on the free and reduced lunch program, thus they are more than likely covered by either SCHIP or Medicaid, thus the taxpayers pay for their healthcare, thus we want them to eat healthy.

    Pretty simple concept. I swear some of y'all would bitch if you were hung with a new rope.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I am basing it on the fact that I am a parent with children in school. I know how the system works even beyond that though because I do research. Parents have had little say in what was served at school, especially the majority of parents. Most parents nowdays work hours that don't even allow for them to care about such things. If they find their kids complaining and they feel the complaint is valid, most simply start sending their child with a lunch to school, or in older students cases, may simply make sure they can get their own food somewhere else. Many parents likely have no real issue with the new healthier food, unless their children are complaining majorly about it. The price is much more a concern to parents than the quality of the food.
    My daughter begs me to eat lunch at school. I mostly pack her a lunch due to costs but I always let her eat one day a week at school and she seems to like the food. If she didn't I would just pack a lunch one more day a week.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Well how about the fact that I saw it last year since I have a son in school? Plus, there is evidence of it happening.

    Highlights, Nutrition Education in Public Elementary and Secondary Schools

    If it isn't happening, then that is the fault of the states or districts that are not ensuring their schools are teaching it.
    Your evidence is 19 years old, 1995. Do you have evidence of current stats, since the introduction of the new federal guidelines.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, if the parents are doing what they are supposed to be and actually paying attention to what their children are doing and talking to the teacher, then yes, those other parents knew exactly what was going on during the school day for their children since we dropped off and picked up our children every day from right in front of their classrooms, which was where the signup sheets were for providing goodies for the students. But then along with those unhealthy snacks there were also plenty of healthy snacks as well, including apples, grapes, bananas, graham crackers, and other things that the children could try.
    In your own words you told us you provided a good amount of sugary unhealthy snacks "including cookies, cupcakes, juice, candy, and other things", and avoided the first question asked of:

    Are you contributing to childhood obesity by providing sugary treats for students and the integrity of the school program with these sugary treats? You're fiercely defending the new program, yet are undermining it as the same time.

    Thank you for answering the second portion of the question.


    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Second, what grades were those students in?
    Here's the complete GAO report
    http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/660427.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is important because high school students are notorious for not liking change, particularly when it comes to something they feel is an "injustice", and especially if adults across the country are saying "they aren't going to like the more nutritious foods". Well no they aren't if you continue to say things like that.
    If the students don't like the food, they aren't going to buy it and that is what districts are showing. Schools don't have to wait for the students to adjust to the food, they can opt out and create their own healthy menus. Who are you quoting?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As I've said, children will eat if they are hungry, particularly in younger grades. I have no sympathy for high school or even middle school aged students who refuse to eat their lunches. They are old enough to know better.
    That's your opinion, as your family grows up and enters middle school you might have a change of sympathy level when it concerns your own.


    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Show how much money is being wasted exactly.
    Schools have lost anywhere between $30,000 to $200,000, so the amount varies as does the sizes of the school districts and the locations. Many articles on this topic -

    Under the school lunch program regulations, Petfalski said, the district's food service was projected to be headed toward a $54,000 deficit. By opting out — and presumably selling more food — he expects about a $7,100 surplus.
    Some districts balk at latest serving of school lunch rules

    Food sales declined at all five BH-BL schools during 2012-13, and even with reimbursement from the National School
    Lunch Program, the district's lunch program ended the 2012-13 school year roughly $100,000 in debt — more than any
    previous year.
    Local school districts opt out of federal lunch program - Times Union

    "Some of the stuff we had to offer, they wouldn't eat," said Catlin, Ill., Superintendent Gary Lewis, whose district saw a
    10 to 12 percent drop in lunch sales, translating to $30,000 lost under
    the program last year.

    In upstate New York, a few districts have quit the program, including the Schenectady-area Burnt Hills Ballston Lake system,
    whose five lunchrooms ended the year $100,000 in the red.

    Near Albany, Voorheesville Superintendent Teresa Thayer Snyder said her district lost $30,000 in the first three months.
    Some schools opt out of gov't-subsidized lunch program with healthier menu - CBS News

    The Douglas County School District's board approved a resolution last week allowing the district's nine high schools to opt out of the
    National School Lunch Program - the district expects a loss of $167,000.
    Douglas County high schools opt out of federal lunch program - The Denver Post

    “We watch children every day walk past the cash register and then throw away things that we are forced, have forced them to take essentially, as a result of the federal requirements for lunches,” said Gene Kirchner, the superintendent of Fort Thomas Independent Schools.

    His district will lose approximately $200,000 this school year and $260,000 in future years by opting out of the federal program, but he believes it’s worth it.
    NKY superintendent: School lunch rules good idea gone too far | Local News - WLWT Home

    And many more links for you to read Schools losing money on lunch program

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The stats are in and only a few hundred schools have opted out, out of over 13000 school districts in the US. That is a very small amount.
    Where are the stats?

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    People have adopted staunch positions against the government increasing the health standards of school lunches.

    Just let that sink in.

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