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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If they didn't track how much was thrown away before, then they can't possibly know if it is different than now, more now. So, did they track it before and where are those numbers to compare to now.
    Indeed, that's exactly what I'm asking you for a third time, considering your statement refers to 'before' several times.
    You need to back up your statement as to what were those 'before' numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Plus, if there is no encouragement from the staff, that makes the students automatically weary of eating the healthier food without even knowing if they like it or not.
    Speaking of staff, this program is suppose to be teaching the students about healthy eating,
    where is the teaching happening and who is teaching it?

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are dozens if not hundreds of other spices out there besides salt, many of which taste better than salt and are better for you.
    You addressed only 1 out of the 3 items I brought up in my post.

    Are you aware that "32 states have opted to stay strictly in the healthy zone, according to a draft report from the School Nutrition Association, which said the final number could change before the school year begins.

    At least 12 states have also already adopted limits on bake-sale foods on their own—providing a taste of what's to come for hundreds of schools nationwide."



    You are correct about the salt, but many schools don't have hundreds of spices on hand in the kitchen, as we do in our homes. Some inner city schools can barely make the budget, so extra costs for hundreds of spice isn't high on the priority list when items are needed elsewhere within the school.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    Indeed, that's exactly what I'm asking you for a third time, considering your statement refers to 'before' several times.
    You need to back up your statement as to what were those 'before' numbers.

    Speaking of staff, this program is suppose to be teaching the students about healthy eating,
    where is the teaching happening and who is teaching it?
    No, I don't. Other people were claiming that "more" food is being thrown away now that it is healthy. I was countering that saying that there is no way to prove those statements. Therefore, those making the claim that "more" food is being thrown out must show that more food is actually being thrown out now than before.

    The teaching is happening in those schools. Most schools have set up not only booths and information centers about nutrition, but also teach about healthy eating during the appropriate classes.

    Elementary Nutrition Education - Childhood Health, Obesity Prevention, Nutrition Tools for Teachers, Elementary Schools, Parents Involvement, School- Home Partnerships

    Serving Up MyPlate: A Yummy Curriculum | Food and Nutrition Service

    Schools can, and are encouraged to, hire dieticians to head their school lunch programs so that there is healthy school lunch/meal planning, rather than reacting to these new guidelines.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    You addressed only 1 out of the 3 items I brought up in my post.

    Are you aware that "32 states have opted to stay strictly in the healthy zone, according to a draft report from the School Nutrition Association, which said the final number could change before the school year begins.

    At least 12 states have also already adopted limits on bake-sale foods on their own—providing a taste of what's to come for hundreds of schools nationwide."

    You are correct about the salt, but many schools don't have hundreds of spices on hand in the kitchen, as we do in our homes. Some inner city schools can barely make the budget, so extra costs for hundreds of spice isn't high on the priority list when items are needed elsewhere within the school.
    First of all, okay. That doesn't mean that they cannot have any junk food at school, only that it can't be sold at school. And that is states deciding to do this. Good for them. The guidelines clearly state that this will not affect things like having food sent to school by parents or brought as snacks by/for teachers, something I did several times last year with my Kinder, and might end up doing again this year with both my sons going to school. I have no issue with them only providing healthy foods in vending machines at school. That is a good thing.

    And heck, high school students, who are the biggest complainers about this, in many districts are allowed to leave their schools for lunch so long as their individual school has that policy. All students are allowed to bring lunch from home (with the only exception so far being a school that adopted no lunches from home in 2007, before these guidelines came out). These are all state or school district decisions, not federal guidelines that are restricting more than required. I personally have no issue with them.

    Those schools need to bring in more spices then. And if they can't afford them, maybe they should figure out something else. In reality, it isn't needed. Hungry children will eat, so find ways to make them more hungry by adjusting schedules as needed. There are plenty of things that need to be fixed in these schools, but complaining about how some students won't eat the healthier food is just that, complaining. It doesn't serve any purpose. Find ways around problems.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The teaching is happening in those schools. Most schools have set up not only booths and information centers about nutrition, but also teach about healthy eating during the appropriate classes.

    Elementary Nutrition Education - Childhood Health, Obesity Prevention, Nutrition Tools for Teachers, Elementary Schools, Parents Involvement, School- Home Partnerships

    Serving Up MyPlate: A Yummy Curriculum | Food and Nutrition Service

    Schools can, and are encouraged to, hire dieticians to head their school lunch programs so that there is healthy school lunch/meal planning, rather than reacting to these new guidelines.

    roguenuke:The teaching is happening in those schools.

    What schools are 'those schools?


    That all looks good, but is it really happening in 'most schools', anyway to prove this?
    I found no evidence with the 32 people who responded to the question on FB, who live in 4 different states. Or in my own family.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, okay.
    Glad you understand.


    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That doesn't mean that they cannot have any junk food at school, only that it can't be sold at school. And that is states deciding to do this. Good for them.
    That is the way I read the article myself, I never said they could not bring in junk food.



    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The guidelines clearly state that this will not affect things like having food sent to school by parents or brought as snacks by/for teachers, something I did several times last year with my Kinder, and might end up doing again this year with both my sons going to school.
    You are advocating the healthy lunch program, but may not believe in the integrity of it by supplying unhealthy items to an entire class of students.

    roguenuke "I provided a good amount of snacks for my son's class last year, including cookies, cupcakes, juice, candy, and other things".

    Are you contributing to childhood obesity by providing sugary treats for students? Do the other parents know you are giving their children sugary treats?



    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I have no issue with them only providing healthy foods in vending machines at school. That is a good thing.
    It's a good thing until schools start losing money because the food isn't selling and goes to waste. Vendors will not want to stock the machines without a profit. Have you ever stood at a vending machine, having many items purchased but see those lonely apples, carrots sticks, pears screaming for someone to buy them.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And heck, high school students, who are the biggest complainers about this, in many districts are allowed to leave their schools for lunch so long as their individual school has that policy. All students are allowed to bring lunch from home (with the only exception so far being a school that adopted no lunches from home in 2007, before these guidelines came out). These are all state or school district decisions, not federal guidelines that are restricting more than required. I personally have no issue with them.
    Yes, this is happening and that is why we have -

    "Nationwide, student participation in the National School Lunch Program declined by 1.2 million students (or 3.7 percent) from school year 2010-2011 through school year 2012-2013, after having increased steadily for many years. This decrease was driven primarily by a decline of 1.6 million students eating school lunch who pay full price for meals"
    U.S. GAO - School Lunch: Implementing Nutrition Changes Was Challenging and Clarification of Oversight Requirements Is Needed

    And more schools opting out of the lunch program again this year.



    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Those schools need to bring in more spices then. And if they can't afford them, maybe they should figure out something else.
    There are ways to apply a new program, pushing it quickly onto the schools certainly could have been done differently or at a slower pace. We know schools have scarified in many ways to keep the doors open, adding new lunch guidelines added cost to many school budgets. We also have no evidence the funds received by the schools from the federal program are going back into feeding the children.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In reality, it isn't needed. Hungry children will eat, so find ways to make them more hungry by adjusting schedules as needed.
    Hmmm, find ways to make them more hungry? Sure, have several lunch periods and the student can select one each day when they are hungry. Makes things much more difficult for the teacher adjusting the lunch schedule around the student hunger pains makes no sense, so how would you get an entire room full of children hungry at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are plenty of things that need to be fixed in these schools, but complaining about how some students won't eat the healthier food is just that, complaining. It doesn't serve any purpose. Find ways around problems.
    Schools have wasted much needed money on this program, student are dropping out at an accelerated speed, food is being wasted as reported by the government, schools are opting out - all for what? Many schools had salad bars, healthy items along side their regular menu, food choices for all.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, I don't. Other people were claiming that "more" food is being thrown away now that it is healthy. I was countering that saying that there is no way to prove those statements. Therefore, those making the claim that "more" food is being thrown out must show that more food is actually being thrown out now than before.
    These are not private individual conversations, anyone can join threads, that's how debate/discussion boards work.

    You should be able to back up your statements no matter who asks you.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    These are not private individual conversations, anyone can join threads, that's how debate/discussion boards work.

    You should be able to back up your statements no matter who asks you.
    She made no statements claiming that they were throwing out more or less food than before, so she has nothing to back up concerning that issue.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    She made no statements claiming that they were throwing out more or less food than before, so she has nothing to back up concerning that issue.
    That would be correct, her statements refer to 'before' as in before the new regulations.

    No one can prove something is more without having the 'before numbers',
    where is the starting point of the comparison?

    Telling people their claims can't be proven without data to back it up, is not working.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    That would be correct, her statements refer to 'before' as in before the new regulations.

    No one can prove something is more without having the 'before numbers',
    where is the starting point of the comparison?

    Telling people their claims can't be proven without data to back it up, is not working.
    It works with people who are reasonable and understand logic.

    With others, not so much
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