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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are aware that the school lunch program is much more similar to WIC than food stamps, right? Most people can qualify for WIC, while only the poorest people qualify for food stamps. School lunches are for all those students in public school, not just those that are poor.

    If parents want their children to have junk food for lunch, they can send it (in the vast majority of schools), but the school has always had a say in what was served for lunch, and in fact, even the federal government has had at least a little say in it for quite some time.
    The federal government has influenced school lunch menus for a long time by providing "surplus" food to schools for free or a discounted price. When I was a kid we were given a lot of raisins due to that program and the 1970s government cheese surplus also had an impact in schools.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The federal government has influenced school lunch menus for a long time by providing "surplus" food to schools for free or a discounted price. When I was a kid we were given a lot of raisins due to that program and the 1970s government cheese surplus also had an impact in schools.
    I remember government cheese.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are aware that the school lunch program is much more similar to WIC than food stamps, right? Most people can qualify for WIC, while only the poorest people qualify for food stamps. School lunches are for all those students in public school, not just those that are poor.

    If parents want their children to have junk food for lunch, they can send it (in the vast majority of schools), but the school has always had a say in what was served for lunch, and in fact, even the federal government has had at least a little say in it for quite some time.
    Not the point. Our concern should be for their health and well being and frankly, too many people on government food assistance prove themselves to be lacking in the judgement department. Better to provide for them prepackaged meals that meet those school nutritional guidelines. And look at all the time and money it will save them not having to go shopping. Or for that matter cooking. AND...we can create some jobs for those doing the food packaging. This line of thought is win, win, win, win, WIN.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The federal government has influenced school lunch menus for a long time by providing "surplus" food to schools for free or a discounted price. When I was a kid we were given a lot of raisins due to that program and the 1970s government cheese surplus also had an impact in schools.
    Influence is not quite the same as having a say in it. In fact, in general the only real way for a parent to have full control over what their children are being fed for lunch is for them to feed their children the food at home or at least in front of the parent. Otherwise, the school has at least some control over what your child is given to eat.

    Either way you go though, the government has say over what is served in school lunches. Some more local governments were already deciding to implement healthier foods only in their lunches (hence the school that banned lunches from home) before the federal government got involved.

    I don't agree with everything the federal government has ever done. Some of it is just plain stupid and it is almost certain that more in the future will be stupid. However, this particular case is not one of those. This is a case where the federal government is not wrong in setting guidelines for what schools should be feeding children for lunch (at least as far as what the schools are offering) or offering students to purchase at school because healthy kids learn better. Even if the kids aren't eating all the healthier foods every single time, they at least will eat them part of the time which will help them get through more days better fed, which means they are more likely to learn. If parents choose to send food instead, no one is really hurt by this.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not the point. Our concern should be for their health and well being and frankly, too many people on government food assistance prove themselves to be lacking in the judgement department. Better to provide for them prepackaged meals that meet those school nutritional guidelines. And look at all the time and money it will save them not having to go shopping. Or for that matter cooking. AND...we can create some jobs for those doing the food packaging. This line of thought is win, win, win, win, WIN.
    Food stamps has nothing to do with school lunches though. You are wrongfully trying to connect the two things together to distract from the actual debate. Some people would absolutely agree that food stamps should be limited to only certain, very healthy foods, but it simply is not going to be as easily achievable to enact these restrictions on food stamps (politically speaking) as it is to enact healthy choice restrictions on students in public schools because public schools are run by the government whereas individual households are not. Every student has the same basic options to at least a degree that is enrolled in public schools, the healthy foods, no matter the income level of the parents, especially if even the snacks available for purchase at the school are only healthy options.

    Your food stamps argument is no less valid if the schools went back to less healthy food guidelines. There are still going to be just as many people in support of limiting food stamps to be used on only healthy food as before, and the same will be true for those who believe there should be no restrictions. Food stamps are not seen as something to keep a person healthy, but to actually keep them fed. You want such restrictions in place, find some hard data that shows that people who eat healthier are more likely to find work that will get them off of government assistance, with data that shows that it is the healthy eating (not other factors) that result in this. We have such data for students eating healthy and learning in school.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    People are actually complaining that public schools are feeding children a healthy diet. Alright then.
    but only because it was Michelle Obama's idea.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Food stamps has nothing to do with school lunches though. You are wrongfully trying to connect the two things together to distract from the actual debate. Some people would absolutely agree that food stamps should be limited to only certain, very healthy foods, but it simply is not going to be as easily achievable to enact these restrictions on food stamps (politically speaking) as it is to enact healthy choice restrictions on students in public schools because public schools are run by the government whereas individual households are not. Every student has the same basic options to at least a degree that is enrolled in public schools, the healthy foods, no matter the income level of the parents, especially if even the snacks available for purchase at the school are only healthy options.

    Your food stamps argument is no less valid if the schools went back to less healthy food guidelines. There are still going to be just as many people in support of limiting food stamps to be used on only healthy food as before, and the same will be true for those who believe there should be no restrictions. Food stamps are not seen as something to keep a person healthy, but to actually keep them fed. You want such restrictions in place, find some hard data that shows that people who eat healthier are more likely to find work that will get them off of government assistance, with data that shows that it is the healthy eating (not other factors) that result in this. We have such data for students eating healthy and learning in school.
    I am absolutely trying to connect the two and really...they ARE the same thing...merely different programs.they serve the same purpose. One love. Do it for the children. I cant believe you would fight this.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but only because it was Michelle Obama's idea.
    Sadly true.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I remember government cheese.
    Pretty much free Velveeta.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This deserved it's own reply as the statement quoted is so absurd.

    The credibility of the news source is not in question. Duh!
    The news source's credibility has no bearing on the 70% claim. Duh!

    And this is what you said earlier.
    Two things are wrong about the above quoted statements.

    1.) The first claim is absolutely false.
    According to the article in the OP, school administrator's opinion, is that 70% generally like it. D'oh!
    The administrators opinion of what they believed the students opinion were. Duh! That is some crazy stuff there.
    But it is not the students opinion.
    Which should put an end to the nonsense in this thread.



    And kids generally stop complaining when they realize things aren't going to change.
    So failing to continue complain is not an indicator that they "generally" like it. "Generally"! iLOL



    2.) Another absurd statement, as the article itself acknowledges what is already known and reported upon.
    The peer-reviewed study comes amid concerns that the regulations led schools to throw away more uneaten food and prompted some students to drop out of meal programs.

    What credible news source do you have that these school administrators are lying?
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