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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it hasn't. The foods may not be negative calories, but the resulting calorie yield is so low they are considered "negative calorie" foods. They are just eating it for extremely little gain. That's not what we want for growing children.

    As to the milk, there is no indication it's 1% or skim. In fact, to be so it must say that on the carton. The pictured carton is whole milk. But you've done nothing to address the fact that more and more kids are reacting badly to milk.

    Look the idea of lunch (formally known in school planning documents as "lunch recess" btw) is to fortify the growing kids for the rest of the school day. This doesn't cut it.
    I didn't say it was skim milk, the poster I quoted did. I was pointing out that there were calories in skim milk. If it is whole milk, that is even more calories.

    That is a completely different issue, a health related issue. Most children I know do fine with milk.

    Those calories still go into the total calories. it isn't digestion that is the issue as much as you burn 4 calories by simply walking for a minute or so. But that is true for no matter where the calories are coming from. They are eating carrots, celery and apples for the many nutrients that those foods provide.

    Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]

    Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Carrots, raw [Includes USDA commodity food A099]

    Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Celery, raw

    And those are just the very base facts. Other pages talk about the additional health benefits from each of these foods.

    That lunch does cut it for a 7 or 8 year old, and certainly younger children, and that is who it is being fed to. Especially when, as I've said multiple times (since I am a mother and know what is going on in at least two different schools just this past year), they also have snack times for elementary school kids that provide more calories as well.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's fine if you're raising sedentary girls on the baseline.

    How Many Calories Should a Child Be Eating? | LIVESTRONG.COM
    Wrong. That is the same source I used. From that source:

    "Also, 4- to 8-year-old boys generally need 1,400 calories when they’re sedentary, 1,400 to 1,600 calories if they are moderately active".

    You cannot base it off the most active children, but rather the average, and I used the 1600 calories, which is the highest amount for the average 8 year old boy.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's fine if you're raising sedentary girls on the baseline.



    How Many Calories Should a Child Be Eating? | LIVESTRONG.COM
    She said 1600, your source places 1600 right between moderately active and active boys for that age range....
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it hasn't. The foods may not be negative calories, but the resulting calorie yield is so low they are considered "negative calorie" foods. They are just eating it for extremely little gain. That's not what we want for growing children.
    Here is what you actually said
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    . The carrots and celery are diet foods for a reason, takes more calories to chew than are gotten from them.
    You didn't say "the resulting calorie yield is so low". You didn't say they have "little gain"

    your running away from what you said is proof that even you recognize that it's a lie
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since I asked about what you said, you're probably right
    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Let's try this again without the political bias and lean.

    Why can't there be a diet with a little more variety, like extra carbs and meat?

    Maybe even a small dessert with natural sweeteners?

    My niece grew up eating literally whatever she wanted, now she's a lard ass. There could've been some middle ground, where they offered better choices without going full hippy diet.

    Why no answer to this question, sang ha?

    At least we know who's abusing the subject, instead of trying to find a solution or compromise. Politics per usual, eh?
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    this is what we call not reading the links posted.
    Your links were a Greek tragedy for anyone trying to lose weight or understand weight loss.

    From the Mayo clinic.

    The Internet abounds with lists of purported negative-calorie foods foods that supposedly take more energy to digest than they provide in calories. Many of these foods are vegetables and fruits, which can be part of an overall healthy diet plan. But they're probably not negative-calorie.

    The theory is that you can lose weight by eating lots of these negative-calorie foods. Celery is a commonly cited example because it's mainly water and fiber. Proponents claim that you will burn more calories digesting celery than it contains, for a net loss.

    Here's the reality. Throughout the day, about 5 to 10 percent of your total energy expenditure goes to digest and store the nutrients in the food you eat. Foods that contain few calories, such as celery and other nonstarchy vegetables, provide a small number of calories but still require energy to digest. That means it is theoretically possible to have a negative-calorie food, but there are no reputable scientific studies to prove that certain foods have this effect.

    The bottom line: Following extreme diets that promote eating only a few foods can cause you to miss out on important nutrients. The key to successful weight loss is adopting a healthy lifestyle that includes a balanced diet and regular exercise.
    You're on the wrong side of science on this one.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I cannot tell you how many pounds of green beans, corn and carrots I've seen that are dumped into the trash in the school cafeteria everyday.
    You can't tell us because you do not know.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Why no answer to this question, sang ha?

    At least we know who's abusing the subject, instead of trying to find a solution or compromise. Politics per usual, eh?
    Are you unaware that many schools offer a treat (at additional cost) for students? But, that this isn't always true and never has been for all schools? In fact, many high school students and even some middle schoolers have the option of buying things such as ice cream as a la carte items. But, even when I was a teenager, these were additional cost to the regular meal. They were never included in the meal.

    Plus, parents are still free to send treats with their children if they want them to have a treat with their lunch in addition to the school provided meal.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wrong. That is the same source I used. From that source:

    "Also, 4- to 8-year-old boys generally need 1,400 calories when they’re sedentary, 1,400 to 1,600 calories if they are moderately active".

    You cannot base it off the most active children, but rather the average, and I used the 1600 calories, which is the highest amount for the average 8 year old boy.
    Tell you what, YOU feed your kids at that rate. And if you're at all honest with yourself, they'll be hungry most of the time.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you unaware that many schools offer a treat (at additional cost) for students? But, that this isn't always true and never has been for all schools? In fact, many high school students and even some middle schoolers have the option of buying things such as ice cream as a la carte items. But, even when I was a teenager, these were additional cost to the regular meal. They were never included in the meal.

    Plus, parents are still free to send treats with their children if they want them to have a treat with their lunch in addition to the school provided meal.
    I can tell you from experience that is not true. All through my youth in public schools and teaching in elementary schools a dessert was included in the standard school meal. That's California. Lot of pudding, sometimes cake.

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