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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If a critic of the new federal guidelines wants to make a convincing case against them they should quote the language they disagree with and point out exactly what is wrong with that particular rule. All I have seen on this thread is ignorant misconceptions about nutrition, speculation and kneejerk anti-government and and anti-Obama rhetoric.

    Here, I'll even help you:

    "...In summary, the January 2011 proposed rule sought to improve lunches and breakfasts by requiring schools to:

    •Offer fruits and vegetables as two separate meal components;

    •Offer fruit daily at breakfast and lunch;

    •Offer vegetables daily at lunch, including specific vegetable subgroups weekly (dark green, orange, legumes, and other as defined in the 2005 Dietary Guidelines) and a limited quantity of starchy vegetables throughout the week;

    •Offer whole grains: half of the grains would be whole grain-rich upon implementation of the rule and all grains would be whole-grain rich two years post implementation;

    •Offer a daily meat/meat alternate at breakfast;

    •Offer fluid milk that is fat-free (unflavored and flavored) and low-fat (unflavored only);

    •Offer meals that meet specific calorie ranges for each age/grade group;

    •Reduce the sodium content of meals gradually over a 10-year period through two intermediate sodium targets at two and four years post implementation;

    •Prepare meals using food products or ingredients that contain zero grams of trans fat per serving;

    •Require students to select a fruit or a vegetable as part of the reimbursable meal;

    •Use a single food-based menu planning approach; and

    •Use narrower age/grade groups for menu planning..."

    Nutrition Standards in the National School Lunch and School Breakfast
    Programs; Final Rule http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012.../2012-1010.pdf

    Which of those rules is unreasonable or not scientifically valid?
    what you left out is that elementary students cannot be served more than 550 i think.
    middle school is like 650
    and high school is 750 calories at lunch.

    there is also restrictions on things like salt, butter and other staples that it takes to actually cook food.

    if that was just it then i doubt you would see a problem, but there is more to it that what you posted or better yet didn't post.
    there is nothing wrong with whole milk it is way better for you than skim milk that has little nutrion in it.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Already debunked.
    no not debunked there is a reason that people on diets are urged to take in low calorie foods such as fruits and vegtables. the reason is that they will expend more energy to consume digest and they break down quicker when exercising.

    that is why when you eat a bowl of celery 10 min later you are hungry again. there was little to no nutrition in the food to fill you up. more so if you are active in any type of activity like most kids are at recess.

    so no not debunked.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Try actually reading for comprehension. The issue with the so-called negative calorie foods is that they are used for dieting FOR A REASON.
    You said carrots and celery burn more calories to eat than they provide.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no not debunked there is a reason that people on diets are urged to take in low calorie foods such as fruits and vegtables. the reason is that they will expend more energy to consume digest and they break down quicker when exercising.

    that is why when you eat a bowl of celery 10 min later you are hungry again. there was little to no nutrition in the food to fill you up. more so if you are active in any type of activity like most kids are at recess.

    so no not debunked.
    Well, you know, I am somehow going to take the word of actual reporting than the word of some guy on the internet for it.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Apparently not all kids are spoiled brats whose parents let them eat what ever they want and many other kids do like healthier food.

    Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches - WSJ
    When the federal government implemented new school-meal regulations in 2012, a majority of elementary-school students complained about the healthier lunches, but by the end of the school year most found the food agreeable, according to survey results released Monday.
    The peer-reviewed study comes amid concerns that the regulations led schools to throw away more uneaten food and prompted some students to drop out of meal programs.
    Researchers at the University of Illinois at Chicago surveyed administrators at more than 500 primary schools about student reaction to the new meals in the 2012-2013 school year. They found that 70% agreed or strongly agreed that students, by the end of the school year, generally liked the new lunches, which feature more whole grains, vegetables and fruits, and lower fat levels.


    From the article:

    "Participation in the school-meal program has declined in recent years, fueling questions about the regulations' impact.

    "Our big concern is that participation continues to slide," said Diane Pratt-Heavner, spokeswoman for the School Nutrition Association, which represents 55,000 school-nutritional professionals. The group seeks a relaxation of the rules, and says it believes they play a role in the decline in students participating.

    Nationwide, participation in the school-lunch program fell by 1.2 million students, or 3.7%, from the 2010-2011 school year through the 2012-2013 year after having steadily increased for many years, according to a Feb. 27 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. State and local officials reported the drop was due in part to the new standards".

    With the students liking new healthier lunches, shouldn't the participation be increasing?
    Instead students are dropping out of the program completely, that in itself speaks volumes.
    Along with nutritional professionals seeking changes of the rules, which doesn't say much for the current guidelines.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you evidently don't understand what neutral calories and negative calories are. please go look them up and then get back to us. about the only thing with any substance is that sandwhich. that depends on what is in it.

    the milk? little to none it is skim milk
    the carrots and celery take more calories to consume than they give back so negative.
    the nuts are the same. it takes more to consume them than what they give.

    the apple is the same way.

    just to show the success of the program for the first time schools have seen a decline in the school lunch program.
    There are 86 calories in skim milk. There are 103 in 1% milk.

    The rest has been debunked. It is miniscule amounts burned digesting it.

    But the food is still available.
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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Apples & Negative Calorie Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM
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    according to the second link if you eat fiberous foods you burn about 20% of the calories in digestion. this is why people on diets eat a lot of fruits and vegatables and protean, because just eating and digesting the 2 of them is about 50% burn off of the calories consumed.

    that doesn't include exercise.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are 86 calories in skim milk. There are 103 in 1% milk.

    The rest has been debunked. It is miniscule amounts burned digesting it.

    But the food is still available.
    you can continue to say debunked but it isn't. so continue with this false way of thinking.

    there are reason that people on diets or trying to lose weight eat more fruits vegtables and protiens. it is because you body consumes large amounts of calories just trying to process it.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    From the article:

    "Participation in the school-meal program has declined in recent years, fueling questions about the regulations' impact.

    "Our big concern is that participation continues to slide," said Diane Pratt-Heavner, spokeswoman for the School Nutrition Association, which represents 55,000 school-nutritional professionals. The group seeks a relaxation of the rules, and says it believes they play a role in the decline in students participating.

    Nationwide, participation in the school-lunch program fell by 1.2 million students, or 3.7%, from the 2010-2011 school year through the 2012-2013 year after having steadily increased for many years, according to a Feb. 27 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. State and local officials reported the drop was due in part to the new standards".

    With the students liking new healthier lunches, shouldn't the participation be increasing?
    Instead students are dropping out of the program completely, that in itself speaks volumes.
    Along with nutritional professionals seeking changes of the rules, which doesn't say much for the current guidelines.
    ssssh those are facts.

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    Re: Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Apples & Negative Calorie Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM
    How Many Calories Does Digestion Use Up? | LIVESTRONG.COM

    according to the second link if you eat fiberous foods you burn about 20% of the calories in digestion. this is why people on diets eat a lot of fruits and vegatables and protean, because just eating and digesting the 2 of them is about 50% burn off of the calories consumed.

    that doesn't include exercise.
    That does not make them negative calories, and digestion uses up part of the calories of all food. Low calorie is not the same thing as negative calories, and the calories and nutrients found in the foods are still of benefit.
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