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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Most of the world wasn't paying attention then, as evidenced by the downing of this plane. Want to bet the world is paying attention now.
    I attached a map earlier, but there are no flights over Ukraine now.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You either don't read my comments or don't understand.

    Even if you have an anti-nuclear system that can intercept, precisely, every time, nuclear weapons in flight, you still have to deal with the fallout. That's why there is no answer to nuclear arms. That's why whoever has nukes is untouchable in so many ways. Unless you're willing to completely cover the entire country with a lead roof. And die in 50 years from lead poisoning.

    HOWEVER>>> North Korea has nukes. Or at least we assume they do finally have the know-how. There was a report that they might be able to create nuclear weapons in February this year, at least in some capacity. And what was the news that came out just last month or this month? China and South Korea are going to work together to make sure N. Korea doesn't ever get any nukes.
    Now why do you think that is? Logically, China doesn't want the stupid kid next door to have nukes or prevent getting them.

    That's why the issue of Iran getting nukes is also crucial, but they're not going to get them anytime soon and if they move in the direction that this new administration wants to, they'll never get them.

    So Russia is doing the rest of the world a massive favor by pretending that it didn't do it and that it was totally only the separatists fault and trying to make a cover-up. It really is doing the world a favor. You know why? Because if it would come out tomorrow and say "yeah, we shot them down, totally. We had everything to do with it. It was our GRU special troops manning our BOK missile launcher that shot down that plane"... what do you think will happen? The rest of the world would have to pretend like they didn't hear that Putin just said that. Russia would call the worlds' bluff and we would have to go in, all nations and say: "Are... are you sure?. I mean, if it was a mistake, we'd understand mr. Putin. Really. It was a mistake".
    The problem is not that people want to have nuclear war. The largest risk is in technical and human mistakes or escalation. At the present moment the dangers are still manageable for a number of reasons. But that is changing.

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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, like the official investigation and documented conclusion in Iraq, where Hans Blix and his team found no WMD, but the US narrative went forward anyway. Abuse of the UN resolution for use of force in Libya. Attempted blame of president Assad for rebel gassing of civilians in Syria, continued support of militant Islamic groups throughout the ME. It's called a credibility problem.

    So much fail in one post....You've got it wrong what Blix said, You do have a point about Libya but as usual with THIS administration the US failed to get the proper job done, You make it sound like Assad didn't gas his own citizens, and you have it somewhat right about Obama supporting Islamic groups, ie: Hamas.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Do you by any chance have links? What I have read contradicts that and it would be interesting to read your source.
    A NATO official in an email to Situation Report this morning on tracking the missile: "Two NATO AWACS surveillance planes were on patrol over Poland and Romania at the time of the incident. Their flight records are being reviewed. However, given the great distance of the AWACS patrol routes from the area where the Malaysian airlines flight went down, we do not expect that our aircraft recorded the incident."

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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So much fail in one post....You've got it wrong what Blix said, You do have a point about Libya but as usual with THIS administration the US failed to get the proper job done, You make it sound like Assad didn't gas his own citizens, and you have it somewhat right about Obama supporting Islamic groups, ie: Hamas.
    Oh please, go and read Hans Blix's book, Disarming Iraq.

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    A month before the war, I told Tony Blair it would be absurd if 250,000 troops were to invade Iraq and find no WMD. So it was.

    Associated Press reporter Dale Gavlak writes in Mint Press,

    As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

    Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

    The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

    However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh please, go and read Hans Blix's book, Disarming Iraq.

    Blair's blind faith in intelligence
    A month before the war, I told Tony Blair it would be absurd if 250,000 troops were to invade Iraq and find no WMD. So it was.
    What gets me is how you can dismiss the overwhelming evidence of WMD being moved before the invasion, and the cat and mouse game SH played with inspectors including Blix before the invasion, and focus on the end result of SH's ploy to hide what he had...Regardless of what you did, or didn't tell Tony Blair, thank goodness he didn't listen to you.

    Tell me, recently there was a headline concerning ISIS taking over an Iraqi Uranium storage facility...Why would that be a concern if there was no Uranium?
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What gets me is how you can dismiss the overwhelming evidence of WMD being moved before the invasion, and the cat and mouse game SH played with inspectors including Blix before the invasion, and focus on the end result of SH's ploy to hide what he had...Regardless of what you did, or didn't tell Tony Blair, thank goodness he didn't listen to you.

    Tell me, recently there was a headline concerning ISIS taking over an Iraqi Uranium storage facility...Why would that be a concern if there was no Uranium?

    You aren't listening to HANS BLIX. He told you he had unfettered access this time, unlike 1991. He pointedly accussed Bush and Blair, I fail to understand your insistence otherwise. Read his book for Pete's sake!

    A decade of US occupation failed to find and secure/destroy a uranium cache. You promote Bush incompetence.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You aren't listening to HANS BLIX. He told you he had unfettered access this time, unlike 1991. He pointedly accussed Bush and Blair, I fail to understand your insistence otherwise. Read his book for Pete's sake!

    A decade of US occupation failed to find and secure/destroy a uranium cache. You promote Bush incompetence.
    Really?

    Isis seizes former chemical weapons plant in Iraq | World news | theguardian.com

    Exclusive: Iraq tells U.N. that 'terrorist groups' seized nuclear materials | Reuters

    Nuclear Experts Play Down Threat of Uranium Stolen by ISIS - NBC News

    Sounds like Blix wasn't very good at his job.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Saddam Hussein hasn't been in Iraq for over a decade!!
    Yes, thanks to us.
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