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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    The problem with the US working on any kind of case is they are the same people who said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction....and other such lies. US credibility? D-
    Oh, you'd be surprised at what lengths the patronising rah rah America crowd will bend to accept what Washington says, lie after lie doesn't matter. Having instigated and supported the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government, installing and immediately "recognising" a pro-Western government, precludes all that follows, but nevertheless, the zombies cry Russian foul.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Different scenario here. 10 years of war versus a split second shooting of aircraft. I trust the technology US possesses to detect missile launches.
    Don't think technology is at question here.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Whatever, there has to be some kind of official investigation and documented conclusion.
    Right, like the official investigation and documented conclusion in Iraq, where Hans Blix and his team found no WMD, but the US narrative went forward anyway. Abuse of the UN resolution for use of force in Libya. Attempted blame of president Assad for rebel gassing of civilians in Syria, continued support of militant Islamic groups throughout the ME. It's called a credibility problem.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I think my left nut will remain attached to my body far and beyond my life expectancy.
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    I certainly wish you good luck, though, we do need a general system for generating international security and a number of other public goods. Baring that, you probably will not have another 40 years left. So depending on your age, it might be tight.

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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    A lot of airliners are using that same corridor to move passengers and goods. The US recommended against it, but most of the world was still using that route.
    Most of the world wasn't paying attention then, as evidenced by the downing of this plane. Want to bet the world is paying attention now.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The day a nuclear power is going to be tried in an international court of law is the day I'll chop my left nut off.
    Yep!!!
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Evidence...where is it? Understandably, right now everyone is guessing. For one thing, evidence is disappearing, to wit; Looters Stole Cash, Credit Cards, and Jewelry from Flight MH17 Crash Victims also Ukraine: Russia helping rebels destroy Flight MH17 evidence.

    While I believe Russia is complicit in this, despite all the political rhetoric coming from the White House, I still have my doubts. Once bitten, twice shy.
    How did Bush say that? Oh that's right, he couldn't.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It would be extraordinary, if NATO had not watched the air space with ground based radar and AWACS. Either would have noted any rocket and its signature. They know if it was shot down, from exactly where the rocket was fired and what make the rocket was. If they don't someone needs firing badly.
    NATO already said their AWACS flying nearby picked up nothing. Pentagon already said the separatists hadn't the means. Those reports will likely be swept under a rug.
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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I certainly wish you good luck, though, we do need a general system for generating international security and a number of other public goods. Baring that, you probably will not have another 40 years left. So depending on your age, it might be tight.
    You either don't read my comments or don't understand.

    Even if you have an anti-nuclear system that can intercept, precisely, every time, nuclear weapons in flight, you still have to deal with the fallout. That's why there is no answer to nuclear arms. That's why whoever has nukes is untouchable in so many ways. Unless you're willing to completely cover the entire country with a lead roof. And die in 50 years from lead poisoning.

    HOWEVER>>> North Korea has nukes. Or at least we assume they do finally have the know-how. There was a report that they might be able to create nuclear weapons in February this year, at least in some capacity. And what was the news that came out just last month or this month? China and South Korea are going to work together to make sure N. Korea doesn't ever get any nukes.
    Now why do you think that is? Logically, China doesn't want the stupid kid next door to have nukes or prevent getting them.

    That's why the issue of Iran getting nukes is also crucial, but they're not going to get them anytime soon and if they move in the direction that this new administration wants to, they'll never get them.

    So Russia is doing the rest of the world a massive favor by pretending that it didn't do it and that it was totally only the separatists fault and trying to make a cover-up. It really is doing the world a favor. You know why? Because if it would come out tomorrow and say "yeah, we shot them down, totally. We had everything to do with it. It was our GRU special troops manning our BOK missile launcher that shot down that plane"... what do you think will happen? The rest of the world would have to pretend like they didn't hear that Putin just said that. Russia would call the worlds' bluff and we would have to go in, all nations and say: "Are... are you sure?. I mean, if it was a mistake, we'd understand mr. Putin. Really. It was a mistake".

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    Re: US working on case against Russia on downed plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    NATO already said there AWACS flying nearby picked up nothing. Pentagon already said the separatists hadn't the means. Those reports will likely be swept under a rug.
    Do you by any chance have links? What I have read contradicts that and it would be interesting to read your source.

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