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US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back deal

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Grant you don't really expect Obama to make a decision or take a stand do you?

You do know that it is the P-5+1 that has agreed to this right? This isn't a US unilateral decision.
 
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I am more concerned about pakistan having nukes at the moment.

Absolutely. Their current stockpile of nuclear weapons and related facilities has to be considered at risk given the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan and the country’s problematic security system. Added to that you have internal instability and differing political views. Yikes.
 
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Absolutely. Their current stockpile of nuclear weapons and related facilities has to be considered at risk given the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan and the country’s problematic security system. Added to that you have internal instability and differing political views. Yikes.

Exactly! Why the handwringing over Iran and yet we have no problem with this??

Even in the best of times, Pakistan’s nuclear-weapons program warrants alarm. But these are perilous days. At a moment of unprecedented misgiving between Washington and Islamabad, new evidence suggests that Pakistan’s nuclear program is barreling ahead at a furious clip.

According to new commercial-satellite imagery obtained exclusively by Newsweek, Pakistan is aggressively accelerating construction at the Khushab nuclear site, about 140 miles south of Islamabad. The images, analysts say, prove Pakistan will soon have a fourth operational reactor, greatly expanding plutonium production for its nuclear-weapons program.

Why does Pakistan have world's fastest-growing nuclear program? - CSMonitor.com
 
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But, when that four months pases we'll give them four more months, then four more months, then four more months, then four more and so on. It's not hard to do the math.

I don't believe any additional extensions should be given. If a deal were reasonably close, the kind of extension that was given is reasonable. If, however, a deal can't be concluded after this extension, then it's clear that a deal were not close and Iran is unambiguously stalling. I suspect that a deal won't be concluded.
 
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we Negotiate while Iran builds Nukes........what part of t hat do you not understand???????????

So what's your plan NP? Stop negotiations then what?
 
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So what's your plan NP? Stop negotiations then what?

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
 
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Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!

I'm still working my way through this thread and I've yet to find anyone of these hardliner hawks in here to put forth ANY plan whatsoever of what we should be doing. I'm forced to be left thinking they have no plan other than wait for Obama's and take the opposite.

I'm all eyes and ears right-wingers. Tell us all what the U.S. should be doing with Iran right now and from there forward.
 
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Of course I would have let them stay to finish their job. When complete, their report would have mooted the need for war with Iraq, 4,500 US service personel would still be with us, the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens that have died in the course of a decade or better, wouldn't have, we'd have an extra trillion or so dollars in our wallet as well as far more global credibility. It's amazing you guys still defend Iraq. Only the cost prohibits me from laughing.

BERKELEY – Speaking on the anniversary of the United States' invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has "the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past" — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.

I would not go with you there. The inspectors had been trying to inspect for a long time. The SC had issued the resolution that was being blatantly rejected. The ultimatum had been made and the dictator relied on the backing of principally three countries to protect him. The invasion was fully justified and made sense at the time.

Whether it would have been smarter for Bush to resist getting played into the corner by Putin and Schröder is another matter.
 
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Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!

But the only President to have used nukes was a Democrat. Ergo, this dummy Obama needs to not talk to them or bomb them. Inaction, like Bush, is what they want
 
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I would not go with you there. The inspectors had been trying to inspect for a long time. The SC had issued the resolution that was being blatantly rejected. The ultimatum had been made and the dictator relied on the backing of principally three countries to protect him. The invasion was fully justified and made sense at the time.

Whether it would have been smarter for Bush to resist getting played into the corner by Putin and Schröder is another matter.

Well of course you won't. You're going down with the ship on it. Nevertheless, Hans Blix was the boots on the ground, not George Bush, and he testified that he had the access this time that he was denied in 1991. There was no WMD, he knew it, and he left a pissed off badger and wrote a scathing report highly critical of Bush and his insistence on attacking Iraq, absent the threat used to justify the invasion. Many ardent Bush supporters at the time have acknowledge the folly and repented of their position, many of them are participants of this board. But there remain the stubborn, perhaps incapable or just too embarrassed so they press on belligerently defending the indefensible.
 
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Well of course you won't. You're going down with the ship on it. Nevertheless, Hans Blix was the boots on the ground, not George Bush, and he testified that he had the access this time that he was denied in 1991. There was no WMD, he knew it, and he left a pissed off badger and wrote a scathing report highly critical of Bush and his insistence on attacking Iraq, absent the threat used to justify the invasion. Many ardent Bush supporters at the time have acknowledge the folly and repented of their position, many of them are participants of this board. But there remain the stubborn, perhaps incapable or just too embarrassed so they press on belligerently defending the indefensible.

Ahh, Blix. He also told Blair at that time he could not guarantee that there where no wmd in the country. But it was that guarantee that was his job to give, if Saddam was to be believed and the resolution considered filled. What he knew is of no consequence, though, if he knew and withheld the guarantee, he would have deliberately caused the invasion. Is that what you are implying? ;)
 
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Don't disturb our fearless leader as he has decided to go on vacation during the collapse of world stability and terror.
 
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I would not go with you there. The inspectors had been trying to inspect for a long time. The SC had issued the resolution that was being blatantly rejected. The ultimatum had been made and the dictator relied on the backing of principally three countries to protect him. The invasion was fully justified and made sense at the time.

Whether it would have been smarter for Bush to resist getting played into the corner by Putin and Schröder is another matter.

In the context of international law the US had no legal justification for the invasion, and in fact violated the UN Charter in doing so given that the UNSC never authorized an invasion. The invasion was illegal.
 
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Always read the reports. But they aren't enough as far as I am informed. You would want free roaming inspectors on the ground continuously and permanently. Anything less is too little. It might be understandable, if Iran had technology that could be stolen like in the Cold War, that they should refuse. As it is though, the only unemotional explanation for the secrecy is that they have something to hide.

lol I can't tell if you're trolling or not. Every country has something to hide. Every country has national secrets. There is nothing abnormal about that.
 
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Ahh, Blix. He also told Blair at that time he could not guarantee that there where no wmd in the country. But it was that guarantee that was his job to give, if Saddam was to be believed and the resolution considered filled. What he knew is of no consequence, though, if he knew and withheld the guarantee, he would have deliberately caused the invasion. Is that what you are implying? ;)

No it wasn't and Blix with great frustration pointed out, you can not prove a negative, as I can't prove to you that there is no tennis ball in this room. Failed critical thinking is what Blix accused both Bush and Blair of.
 
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In the context of international law the US had no legal justification for the invasion, and in fact violated the UN Charter in doing so given that the UNSC never authorized an invasion. The invasion was illegal.

The apologists will never EVER admit to this truth.
 
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In the context of international law the US had no legal justification for the invasion, and in fact violated the UN Charter in doing so given that the UNSC never authorized an invasion. The invasion was illegal.

The resolution read differently. There was a discussion about whether or not "serious consequences" could mean invasion with France taking an other view. But the speech Bush had held a few days before the resolution was passed had made absolutely clear, how the US and most other leaders would interpret it. I for my part did not believe at the time that a further resolution was required. Maybe you want to argue that 1441 was insufficient legitimization for the invasion? I do not think that you can, though, you might say to believe otherwise.
 
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To secure Syria's vote in favor of Council Resolution 1441, Secretary of State Powell reportedly advised Syrian officials that "there is nothing in the resolution to allow it to be used as a pretext to launch a war on Iraq."[3


Legality of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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lol I can't tell if you're trolling or not. Every country has something to hide. Every country has national secrets. There is nothing abnormal about that.

No, there is nothing abnormal about countries having secrets.
The problem here is that a large number of countries voted to make sure Iran was not building an atomic weapon and the inspectors have found a number of indications of a weapons program. A number of the findings seem impossible to explain, if the Iranians are not conducting such a program and their government has not been able or willing to explain.
 
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No, there is nothing abnormal about countries having secrets.
The problem here is that a large number of countries voted to make sure Iran was not building an atomic weapon and the inspectors have found a number of indications of a weapons program. A number of the findings seem impossible to explain, if the Iranians are not conducting such a program and their government has not been able or willing to explain.

You guys never believe the IAEA, though they were right in Iraq and you were WRONG!!!

IAEA says Iran eliminates enriched uranium
The UN's nuclear agency said Iran had met the requirements of an interim deal on its nuclear program. A report released on Sunday showed that the oil-rich country had eliminated its stockpile of enriched uranium.

http://www.dw.de/iaea-says-iran-eliminates-enriched-uranium/a-17797288

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/20/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-idUSKBN0FP0LW20140720
 
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No it wasn't and Blix with great frustration pointed out, you can not prove a negative, as I can't prove to you that there is no tennis ball in this room. Failed critical thinking is what Blix accused both Bush and Blair of.

The pity is that that was what the UN demanded. And, when you think about it, the demand was not as absurd as you would like it to seem. Had the inspectors been able to roam free instead of being block over and over again, the statistical proof would have sufficed. With inspectors roaming the country Bush would never have been able to invade. Not a chance and you know that.
 
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In the context of international law the US had no legal justification for the invasion, and in fact violated the UN Charter in doing so given that the UNSC never authorized an invasion. The invasion was illegal.

Funny, I remember it being that the UN asked us to be the enforcer in Saddams multiple nose thumbing sessions at their resolutions.
 
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The pity is that that was what the UN demanded. And, when you think about it, the demand was not as absurd as you would like it to seem. Had the inspectors been able to roam free instead of being block over and over again, the statistical proof would have sufficed. With inspectors roaming the country Bush would never have been able to invade. Not a chance and you know that.

Why are you being dishonest with this, in multiple public statements, policy papers, interviews and at least one book Hans Blix has said the opposite of you. Stop with the disinformation.
 
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