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US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back deal

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Montecresto said:
Yeah, you can compare Iran with a belligerent teenager, but that description fit the Bush administration far better.
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Quick question: Who's the one that has free elections? Or maybe just talk about the country that shoots it's protesters when they call an election rigged? Sounds like a bully to me.

I am curious though, are you okay with Iran having a nuke?

Montecresto said:
Hi Beau. I have to take issue with the notion that Iran would ever use a nuke in their own region or abroad. That would not perpetuate themselves or advance their goals whatsoever. This is similar to the fevered pitch in 2003 when Americans were frightened with the notion that if we didn't act NOW, we would see mushroom clouds over a US city. So far the world has only seen that twice.
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Nothing to stop them from giving one to Hamas or Hezbollah though...
 
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apdst said:
But, when that four months pases we'll give them four more months, then four more months, then four more months, then four more and so on. It's not hard to do the math.
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Get ya a GOPer in the WH and with a pre-emptive strike, nuke em on the first day on the job. Settled.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Talking is always better than fighting. Talking with an honest broker is preferable. Talking for the sake of talking, while the other side continues to advance their programs and the potential threat continues to grow, however, is not preferable.

At this point, it's difficult to understand why they would need more time, or why we would give it to them. Either they plan on complying with the will of the word's nations, or they do not. If not, then giving them more time is as exercise in futility and at the very least, crippling international sanctions should be reinstated. If, however, they have given us proof that they are dismantling and/or reducing their enrichment program to the level needed only for medical use and their long range missile program has been halted, then an extension of time may be acceptable if it is to allow them to get their own hardliners on board.

I've seen no evidence that they have reduced their enrichment program, or halted their long range missile program. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen it.
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Read the most recent AIEA report.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
I don't know that they would have to become suicidal. They have more than enough followers that would do that for them, and Iran's Ayatollah would deny complicity. That's what they've done with Hamas and multiple other terrorist groups - supply them with the weapons and cash, while they fight the war for the Iranians. Not all that different from what we do, except we don't usually support terrorists, at least lately (Syria not included).
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Sounds like you describe US FP in the ME.
 
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joG said:
Always read the reports. But they aren't enough as far as I am informed. You would want free roaming inspectors on the ground continuously and permanently. Anything less is too little. It might be understandable, if Iran had technology that could be stolen like in the Cold War, that they should refuse. As it is though, the only unemotional explanation for the secrecy is that they have something to hide.
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Well, if you don't trust the IAEA, you're consistent. Their word wasn't trusted back in early 03 when they told us that unlike 91' they were getting unfettered access, even to Saddam's presidential palace. But in his belligerence, the day before we launched the attack, Bush told the State Department to tell Hans Blix to get out. The die was cast, the intelligence was fixed around the policy of war with Saddam, that Blix's team couldn't find WMD, was irrelevant.
 
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Montecresto said:
Get ya a GOPer in the WH and with a pre-emptive strike, nuke em on the first day on the job. Settled.
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I thought the only preseident who ever nuked anybody was a Democrat. No?
 
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fmw said:
I thought the only preseident who ever nuked anybody was a Democrat. No?
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Oh boy. Stupid thread just jumped the shark.
 
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Montecresto said:
Get ya a GOPer in the WH and with a pre-emptive strike, nuke em on the first day on the job. Settled.
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Like Bush did! Oh wait....

We all know that the best solution to Iran is to shake our finger at them and call them naughty.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Quick question: Who's the one that has free elections? Or maybe just talk about the country that shoots it's protesters when they call an election rigged? Sounds like a bully to me.

I am curious though, are you okay with Iran having a nuke?



Nothing to stop them from giving one to Hamas or Hezbollah though...
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Its insane to suggest that Iran would give Hamas or Hezbollah nukes. Note the superior weaponry that Hamas is working with right now. Iran has far better weaponry that they could provide, and don't. For decades the US has supported militant Islamic groups (terrorist organisations) but we never have or would supply them with weaponry that they might defeat us with. Nor would Iran do such a thing.

As to the other question. I would prefer that NOBODY has nukes, but that if anybody has them, then it makes complete sense that everybody else has them. They factually are a deterrent, and so far, with the exception of the US, every country that possesses them have used them for nothing more.
 
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fmw said:
I thought the only preseident who ever nuked anybody was a Democrat. No?
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Indubitably. In more recent decades the GOPers have taken up the hawkish mantle.
 
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rocket88 said:
Like Bush did! Oh wait....

We all know that the best solution to Iran is to shake our finger at them and call them naughty.
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I didn't say Bush did. It was sarcasm! But had John McCain won the election, we may well would have bombed Iran, as the Beach Boys suggested in the 60's
 
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Navy Pride said:
You lefties crack me up..........they could be invading this country and you lefties would say lets talk to them and reason with them while they are killing us. I know you lefties are afraid to fight but at some point you have to take a stand.........
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Against a foreign power thousands of miles away, pursuing the very same program your own country was pursuing long before they were? By extension, the US needs to be stopped.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well, if you don't trust the IAEA, you're consistent. Their word wasn't trusted back in early 03 when they told us that unlike 91' they were getting unfettered access, even to Saddam's presidential palace. But in his belligerence, the day before we launched the attack, Bush told the State Department to tell Hans Blix to get out. The die was cast, the intelligence was fixed around the policy of war with Saddam, that Blix's team couldn't find WMD, was irrelevant.
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Well actually the impression I got following the international media including French and German and an interview with Blix was different. And it seems okay to warn UN personell to leave before the bombing starts. You would have let them stay?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. our enemy was Al qeada, which was in afghanistan. iraq should not have even been part of the discussion.
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Al Qaeda had little to do with Afghanistan. Some, mostly Saudis, were part of 9/11 and they trained in the US, Germany, Afghanistan and probably elsewhere. Working, perhaps, under some control of some people who may have been in Afghanistan for part of the time. You don't invade a country on those grounds.

The Congressional Authorization for Iraq listed 23 reasons for the war, 23 introductory paragraphs that began with "whereas". Yes, WMD and the presence of Al Qaeda were listed along with other reasons. For me, those other reasons were enough. Iraq under Saddam was invading other countries, killing their own people, and mismanaging the health and welfare of their citizens. And 42 other nations agreed.

I have no idea why we invaded Afghanistan. "harboring" some one we want is not grounds for an invasion. Canada and Mexico have harbored people we wanted and refused to turn them over. The US refused to turn over the Shah to Iran. This is a diplomatic problem. Bush was wrong to invade and Obama compounded the mistake by escalating and using conventional forces which presented additional targets to Al Qaeda. Meanwhile, Osama was in Pakistan so it was based on a lie.
 
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Montecresto said:
Its insane to suggest that Iran would give Hamas or Hezbollah nukes. Note the superior weaponry that Hamas is working with right now. Iran has far better weaponry that they could provide, and don't. For decades the US has supported militant Islamic groups (terrorist organisations) but we never have or would supply them with weaponry that they might defeat us with. Nor would Iran do such a thing.

As to the other question. I would prefer that NOBODY has nukes, but that if anybody has them, then it makes complete sense that everybody else has them. They factually are a deterrent, and so far, with the exception of the US, every country that possesses them have used them for nothing more.
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If you're talking about jets and tanks, it be kind of hard to get them to either organization wouldn't it? Not to mention the fact that they'd be prime targets for the Israelis anyways. So I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say Iran could of given them "better weapons". And I don't know in what world you think Hezbollah or Hamas would ever be a threat to Iran so, nix that as well. Finally on this point, are you really going to try and convince me that there aren't people in the Gaza Strip that wouldn't love to see a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv? It's really easy sitting wherever you are and saying that Israel won't ever get nuked by one of Iran's proxy allies, but there's no way Israel can ever take chance. Especially when you have some people strapping bombs to their chest and blowing themselves up.

Curious, you prefer of no one has nukes but then acknowledge that they have been a deterrent against aggression. Why are you opposed to nukes then? Also, I think the more important point though is that in an area as unstable as the ME, do we really want to take a chance on any of those countries have a nuke? Can you imagine what ISIS would do with a Nuke?
 
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joG said:
Well actually the impression I got following the international media including French and German and an interview with Blix was different. And it seems okay to warn UN personell to leave before the bombing starts. You would have let them stay?
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Of course I would have let them stay to finish their job. When complete, their report would have mooted the need for war with Iraq, 4,500 US service personel would still be with us, the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens that have died in the course of a decade or better, wouldn't have, we'd have an extra trillion or so dollars in our wallet as well as far more global credibility. It's amazing you guys still defend Iraq. Only the cost prohibits me from laughing.

BERKELEY – Speaking on the anniversary of the United States' invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has "the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past" — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
If you're talking about jets and tanks, it be kind of hard to get them to either organization wouldn't it? Not to mention the fact that they'd be prime targets for the Israelis anyways. So I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say Iran could of given them "better weapons". And I don't know in what world you think Hezbollah or Hamas would ever be a threat to Iran so, nix that as well. Finally on this point, are you really going to try and convince me that there aren't people in the Gaza Strip that wouldn't love to see a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv? It's really easy sitting wherever you are and saying that Israel won't ever get nuked by one of Iran's proxy allies, but there's no way Israel can ever take chance. Especially when you have some people strapping bombs to their chest and blowing themselves up.

Curious, you prefer of no one has nukes but then acknowledge that they have been a deterrent against aggression. Why are you opposed to nukes then? Also, I think the more important point though is that in an area as unstable as the ME, do we really want to take a chance on any of those countries have a nuke? Can you imagine what ISIS would do with a Nuke?
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As a matter of policy, the US has worked toward destabilising the ME, as you agreed with one of my earlier posts in which I pointed out that Mubarak, Hussein, Gaddafi and Assad all were/are stabilising forces in the ME. It's hypocritical to point out that the ME isn't stable. Stop patronising.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
While I believe odds remain against a deal that largely precludes Iranian uranium enrichment and other activities that could lead to a nuclear weapons capability, four months is not going to result in an Iranian breakout. Hence, diplomacy, which offers some prospects of leading to a better outcome, is not a bad approach over that timeframe. It's certainly preferable to an absence of diplomacy and it gives time for contingency planning should Iran fail to accommodate international concerns.
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If history is any indication then this four months will lead to another four months, etc., etc.

Iran Fact File » Analysis and background on the challenge of Iran's nuclear program.
 
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Montecresto said:
Why do we need to "scare" Iran? What's with you guys. Did you see the last IAEA report? Perpetual war is what turns you on I guess. Yet you're concerned about 54,000,000 that were never even born, strange!
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Hyperbolic nonsense.

There has been and will always be a direct correlation to the state of the world in terms of security and the type of leader we elect in America.

After electing a unqualified Jr Senator it's become more apparent than ever how important it is to elect a qualified leader who's not a ideological pin head to boot.

No one's advocating first strikes against known supporters of terrorist or Ukrainian invaders. A Qualified and Internationally respected US President with a credible foreign policy is a profound impediment to the growing threat of rogue Nations and Russian leaders who're hell bent on Soviet style land grabs.
 
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Fenton said:
Hyperbolic nonsense.

There has been and will always be a direct correlation to the state of the world in terms of security and the type of leader we elect in America.

After electing a unqualified Jr Senator it's become more apparent than ever how important it is to elect a qualified leader who's not a ideological pin head to boot.

No one's advocating first strikes against known supporters of terrorist or Ukrainian invaders. A Qualified and Internationally respected US President with a credible foreign policy is a profound impediment to the growing threat of rogue Nations and Russian leaders who're hell bent on Soviet style land grabs.
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Well in that case you and I agree, and its something that's been lacking for a long time then.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well in that case you and I agree, and its something that's been lacking for a long time then.
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Well, at least 6 years.
 
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Grant said:
What the poster said was true.
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You know what else it is? Completely and utterly irrelevant. The reddest of herrings.
 
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Fenton said:
Well, at least 6 years.
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Yeah then we disagree, I was pretty sure you wouldn't be accepting of any responsibility of prior administration failures in the region. But I do have to check every once in a while to see if you've moved any closer to objectivity, or whether everything that's wrong is still all Obama's fault.
 
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