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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Like Bush did! Oh wait....

    We all know that the best solution to Iran is to shake our finger at them and call them naughty.
    I didn't say Bush did. It was sarcasm! But had John McCain won the election, we may well would have bombed Iran, as the Beach Boys suggested in the 60's
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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You lefties crack me up..........they could be invading this country and you lefties would say lets talk to them and reason with them while they are killing us. I know you lefties are afraid to fight but at some point you have to take a stand.........
    Against a foreign power thousands of miles away, pursuing the very same program your own country was pursuing long before they were? By extension, the US needs to be stopped.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, if you don't trust the IAEA, you're consistent. Their word wasn't trusted back in early 03 when they told us that unlike 91' they were getting unfettered access, even to Saddam's presidential palace. But in his belligerence, the day before we launched the attack, Bush told the State Department to tell Hans Blix to get out. The die was cast, the intelligence was fixed around the policy of war with Saddam, that Blix's team couldn't find WMD, was irrelevant.
    Well actually the impression I got following the international media including French and German and an interview with Blix was different. And it seems okay to warn UN personell to leave before the bombing starts. You would have let them stay?

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. our enemy was Al qeada, which was in afghanistan. iraq should not have even been part of the discussion.
    Al Qaeda had little to do with Afghanistan. Some, mostly Saudis, were part of 9/11 and they trained in the US, Germany, Afghanistan and probably elsewhere. Working, perhaps, under some control of some people who may have been in Afghanistan for part of the time. You don't invade a country on those grounds.

    The Congressional Authorization for Iraq listed 23 reasons for the war, 23 introductory paragraphs that began with "whereas". Yes, WMD and the presence of Al Qaeda were listed along with other reasons. For me, those other reasons were enough. Iraq under Saddam was invading other countries, killing their own people, and mismanaging the health and welfare of their citizens. And 42 other nations agreed.

    I have no idea why we invaded Afghanistan. "harboring" some one we want is not grounds for an invasion. Canada and Mexico have harbored people we wanted and refused to turn them over. The US refused to turn over the Shah to Iran. This is a diplomatic problem. Bush was wrong to invade and Obama compounded the mistake by escalating and using conventional forces which presented additional targets to Al Qaeda. Meanwhile, Osama was in Pakistan so it was based on a lie.
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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Its insane to suggest that Iran would give Hamas or Hezbollah nukes. Note the superior weaponry that Hamas is working with right now. Iran has far better weaponry that they could provide, and don't. For decades the US has supported militant Islamic groups (terrorist organisations) but we never have or would supply them with weaponry that they might defeat us with. Nor would Iran do such a thing.

    As to the other question. I would prefer that NOBODY has nukes, but that if anybody has them, then it makes complete sense that everybody else has them. They factually are a deterrent, and so far, with the exception of the US, every country that possesses them have used them for nothing more.
    If you're talking about jets and tanks, it be kind of hard to get them to either organization wouldn't it? Not to mention the fact that they'd be prime targets for the Israelis anyways. So I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say Iran could of given them "better weapons". And I don't know in what world you think Hezbollah or Hamas would ever be a threat to Iran so, nix that as well. Finally on this point, are you really going to try and convince me that there aren't people in the Gaza Strip that wouldn't love to see a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv? It's really easy sitting wherever you are and saying that Israel won't ever get nuked by one of Iran's proxy allies, but there's no way Israel can ever take chance. Especially when you have some people strapping bombs to their chest and blowing themselves up.

    Curious, you prefer of no one has nukes but then acknowledge that they have been a deterrent against aggression. Why are you opposed to nukes then? Also, I think the more important point though is that in an area as unstable as the ME, do we really want to take a chance on any of those countries have a nuke? Can you imagine what ISIS would do with a Nuke?

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well actually the impression I got following the international media including French and German and an interview with Blix was different. And it seems okay to warn UN personell to leave before the bombing starts. You would have let them stay?
    Of course I would have let them stay to finish their job. When complete, their report would have mooted the need for war with Iraq, 4,500 US service personel would still be with us, the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens that have died in the course of a decade or better, wouldn't have, we'd have an extra trillion or so dollars in our wallet as well as far more global credibility. It's amazing you guys still defend Iraq. Only the cost prohibits me from laughing.

    BERKELEY – Speaking on the anniversary of the United States' invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has "the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past" — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.
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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If you're talking about jets and tanks, it be kind of hard to get them to either organization wouldn't it? Not to mention the fact that they'd be prime targets for the Israelis anyways. So I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say Iran could of given them "better weapons". And I don't know in what world you think Hezbollah or Hamas would ever be a threat to Iran so, nix that as well. Finally on this point, are you really going to try and convince me that there aren't people in the Gaza Strip that wouldn't love to see a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv? It's really easy sitting wherever you are and saying that Israel won't ever get nuked by one of Iran's proxy allies, but there's no way Israel can ever take chance. Especially when you have some people strapping bombs to their chest and blowing themselves up.

    Curious, you prefer of no one has nukes but then acknowledge that they have been a deterrent against aggression. Why are you opposed to nukes then? Also, I think the more important point though is that in an area as unstable as the ME, do we really want to take a chance on any of those countries have a nuke? Can you imagine what ISIS would do with a Nuke?
    As a matter of policy, the US has worked toward destabilising the ME, as you agreed with one of my earlier posts in which I pointed out that Mubarak, Hussein, Gaddafi and Assad all were/are stabilising forces in the ME. It's hypocritical to point out that the ME isn't stable. Stop patronising.
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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    While I believe odds remain against a deal that largely precludes Iranian uranium enrichment and other activities that could lead to a nuclear weapons capability, four months is not going to result in an Iranian breakout. Hence, diplomacy, which offers some prospects of leading to a better outcome, is not a bad approach over that timeframe. It's certainly preferable to an absence of diplomacy and it gives time for contingency planning should Iran fail to accommodate international concerns.
    If history is any indication then this four months will lead to another four months, etc., etc.

    Iran Fact File Analysis and background on the challenge of Iran's nuclear program.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Oh boy. Stupid thread just jumped the shark.
    What the poster said was true.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why do we need to "scare" Iran? What's with you guys. Did you see the last IAEA report? Perpetual war is what turns you on I guess. Yet you're concerned about 54,000,000 that were never even born, strange!
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    No one's advocating first strikes against known supporters of terrorist or Ukrainian invaders. A Qualified and Internationally respected US President with a credible foreign policy is a profound impediment to the growing threat of rogue Nations and Russian leaders who're hell bent on Soviet style land grabs.
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