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US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back deal

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TheDemSocialist said:
Why is extending talks a bad thing?
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Are you trying to be funny? You can't really believe that simplistic logic.
 
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joG said:
Are you trying to be funny? You can't really believe that simplistic logic.
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If extending talks stems off war, I'm all for extending talks. There's nothing wrong with keeping people at the table.
 
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Kobie said:
If extending talks stems off war, I'm all for extending talks. There's nothing wrong with keeping people at the table.
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That is Sirens' song that always tempts. What it does not mention is the additional costs that the easy way out will bring. You see, while they are at the table, as you say, they are also at work elsewhere.
 
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Montecresto said:
It defers war!
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Hmmm, playing the devil's advocate here .... When do you see it deferred to and if inevitable is it prudent to do so?

Good Morning M

Thom Paine
 
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Grant said:
It makes your question very odd.

Iran wants more time and Obama has given it to them.
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It takes time to build a bomb and delivery systems for it.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Whats bad about continuing negotiations? (havent answered my question)
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This may sound snide but I don't mean it so.

Maybe you haven't had the joyful experience of the resulting situation after attempting negotiation with a belligerent teenager. :)

Good morning D

Thom Paine
 
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While I believe odds remain against a deal that largely precludes Iranian uranium enrichment and other activities that could lead to a nuclear weapons capability, four months is not going to result in an Iranian breakout. Hence, diplomacy, which offers some prospects of leading to a better outcome, is not a bad approach over that timeframe. It's certainly preferable to an absence of diplomacy and it gives time for contingency planning should Iran fail to accommodate international concerns.
 
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Navy Pride said:
This president and his administration are such cowards. Further proof that are weak foreign policy does not scare Iran.


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TheDemSocialist said:
Why is extending talks a bad thing?
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Well TDS, we are going to continue to extend the talks until one day someone says, "Hey, where did Iran get that nuclear weapon? We sure didn't see that coming!" And, at that point, it's too late. Unlike the DPK, Iran's religious leaders have not only the will but the capability of using them against the "Great Satan" and our allies, as well as against other enemies such as ISIS which although I wouldn't shed a tear for ISIS, it would destabilize the region to the point that the total world economy would collapse - not to mention that a freaking nuclear weapon would have been used.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
While I believe odds remain against a deal that largely precludes Iranian uranium enrichment and other activities that could lead to a nuclear weapons capability, four months is not going to result in an Iranian breakout. Hence, diplomacy, which offers some prospects of leading to a better outcome, is not a bad approach over that timeframe. It's certainly preferable to an absence of diplomacy and it gives time for contingency planning should Iran fail to accommodate international concerns.
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But, when that four months pases we'll give them four more months, then four more months, then four more months, then four more and so on. It's not hard to do the math.
 
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Kobie said:
If extending talks stems off war, I'm all for extending talks. There's nothing wrong with keeping people at the table.
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Talking is always better than fighting. Talking with an honest broker is preferable. Talking for the sake of talking, while the other side continues to advance their programs and the potential threat continues to grow, however, is not preferable.

At this point, it's difficult to understand why they would need more time, or why we would give it to them. Either they plan on complying with the will of the word's nations, or they do not. If not, then giving them more time is as exercise in futility and at the very least, crippling international sanctions should be reinstated. If, however, they have given us proof that they are dismantling and/or reducing their enrichment program to the level needed only for medical use and their long range missile program has been halted, then an extension of time may be acceptable if it is to allow them to get their own hardliners on board.

I've seen no evidence that they have reduced their enrichment program, or halted their long range missile program. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen it.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Talking is always better than fighting. Talking with an honest broker is preferable. Talking for the sake of talking, while the other side continues to advance their programs and the potential threat continues to grow, however, is not preferable.

At this point, it's difficult to understand why they would need more time, or why we would give it to them. Either they plan on complying with the will of the word's nations, or they do not. If not, then giving them more time is as exercise in futility and at the very least, crippling international sanctions should be reinstated. If, however, they have given us proof that they are dismantling and/or reducing their enrichment program to the level needed only for medical use and their long range missile program has been halted, then an extension of time may be acceptable if it is to allow them to get their own hardliners on board.

I've seen no evidence that they have reduced their enrichment program, or halted their long range missile program. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen it.
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I've seen no evidence that Iran has not. But neither of us are privy to intelligence reports.

Iran is a weird society in that the people really don't want any part of this, and neither does the secular wing of the government. But the mullahs run the show. That said, they've had plenty of opportunities over the least 30 years to get uppity, and they've shown little sign of it, outside of their usual "great satan" bluster. I find it hard to believe the hardliners have become suicidal overnight.
 
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Kobie said:
I've seen no evidence that Iran has not. But neither of us are privy to intelligence reports.

Iran is a weird society in that the people really don't want any part of this, and neither does the secular wing of the government. But the mullahs run the show. That said, they've had plenty of opportunities over the least 30 years to get uppity, and they've shown little sign of it, outside of their usual "great satan" bluster. I find it hard to believe the hardliners have become suicidal overnight.
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I don't know that they would have to become suicidal. They have more than enough followers that would do that for them, and Iran's Ayatollah would deny complicity. That's what they've done with Hamas and multiple other terrorist groups - supply them with the weapons and cash, while they fight the war for the Iranians. Not all that different from what we do, except we don't usually support terrorists, at least lately (Syria not included).
 
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Beaudreaux said:
I don't know that they would have to become suicidal. They have more than enough followers that would do that for them, and Iran's Ayatollah would deny complicity. That's what they've done with Hamas and multiple other terrorist groups - supply them with the weapons and cash, while they fight the war for the Iranians. Not all that different from what we do, except we don't usually support terrorists, at least lately (Syria not included).
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If any sort of nuclear attack came out of Iran, we'd know it, and they'd be cinders within the hour. Yeah, they can fight proxy wars all they want -- hell, we've made an art form out of it -- but does anyone really think that if Iran was in any way capable and/or willing to strike at U.S. interests, they wouldn't be crispy critters in about four seconds?

And we have supported terrorists, for decades.
 
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Kobie said:
If any sort of nuclear attack came out of Iran, we'd know it, and they'd be cinders within the hour. Yeah, they can fight proxy wars all they want -- hell, we've made an art form out of it -- but does anyone really think that if Iran was in any way capable and/or willing to strike at U.S. interests, they wouldn't be crispy critters in about four seconds?
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Actually, yeah. I doubt it. The same reasons that we have not taken harder actions so far, are the same reasons we wold not turn Iran into ashes - Russia, China... OIL... and a few others.

Kobie said:
And we have supported terrorists, for decades.
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You missed the sarcasm of irony in my statement. Normally I'm no that cryptic with my satire, but I thought with your intelligence you would have seen it - I even gave you a primer in the parenthetical portion. Geeze Kobie...
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Actually, yeah. I doubt it. The same reasons that we have not taken harder actions so far, are the same reasons we wold not turn Iran into ashes - Russia, China... OIL... and a few others.
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If Iran got that bad, I have no doubt we'd suck up sky-high gas prices in order to make sure they didn't go full nucular on, say, Israel.

Beaudreaux said:
You missed the sarcasm of irony in my statement. Normally I'm no that cryptic with my satire, but I thought with your intelligence you would have seen it - I even gave you a primer in the parenthetical portion. Geeze Kobie...
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Oh, internet.
 
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Kobie said:
If Iran got that bad, I have no doubt we'd suck up sky-high gas prices in order to make sure they didn't go full nucular on, say, Israel.
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My concern has always been the reverse. Which would surely drag us in.
Kobie said:
Oh, internet.
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No problem.
 
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Navy Pride said:
The point my left wing friend is she is and Obama appointee.
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I criticise an Obama appointee and you call me a left winger. Come on NP. I listened to her, she provided zero evidence for her claims. Another senior WH official says they've been building a case and its a home run, he too offered no evidence. I recall when Saddam's WMD was a slam dunk. Don't believe what Washington says, demand evidence.
 
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Kobie said:
If extending talks stems off war, I'm all for extending talks. There's nothing wrong with keeping people at the table.
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The extension was predicated on the most recent, positive AIEA report. This move makes complete sense. Besides the whole notion that we need to fear Iran nuking us, should they succeed in this is silly anyway. But it's hard to continually justify our bloated pentagon budget if there aren't threats to our national security lurking about the world.
 
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joG said:
That is Sirens' song that always tempts. What it does not mention is the additional costs that the easy way out will bring. You see, while they are at the table, as you say, they are also at work elsewhere.
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Ignore the recent AIEA report and run with the fear mongering.
 
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Thom Paine said:
Hmmm, playing the devil's advocate here .... When do you see it deferred to and if inevitable is it prudent to do so?

Good Morning M

Thom Paine
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Morning Thom, I see your up with the chickens. I'm not sure I understand your question. But, John McCain wanted to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran years ago. Obama, actually the P-5+1 talks has deferred war this entire time.
 
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Thom Paine said:
This may sound snide but I don't mean it so.

Maybe you haven't had the joyful experience of the resulting situation after attempting negotiation with a belligerent teenager. :)

Good morning D

Thom Paine
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Yeah, you can compare Iran with a belligerent teenager, but that description fit the Bush administration far better.
 
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Montecresto said:
Morning Thom, I see your up with the chickens. I'm not sure I understand your question.
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Howdy M

You used the word 'defer' .. meaning to delay; just now as an afterthought... maybe it was a typo...

I 'm just checking to see if you suggest a wait and see attitude (deter) and if so under what circumstances your thoughts might change.

Then, again, maybe it's a typo (deter?)

celebrate life

Thom Paine
 
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Montecresto said:
Ignore the recent AIEA report and run with the fear mongering.
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Always read the reports. But they aren't enough as far as I am informed. You would want free roaming inspectors on the ground continuously and permanently. Anything less is too little. It might be understandable, if Iran had technology that could be stolen like in the Cold War, that they should refuse. As it is though, the only unemotional explanation for the secrecy is that they have something to hide.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Well TDS, we are going to continue to extend the talks until one day someone says, "Hey, where did Iran get that nuclear weapon? We sure didn't see that coming!" And, at that point, it's too late. Unlike the DPK, Iran's religious leaders have not only the will but the capability of using them against the "Great Satan" and our allies, as well as against other enemies such as ISIS which although I wouldn't shed a tear for ISIS, it would destabilize the region to the point that the total world economy would collapse - not to mention that a freaking nuclear weapon would have been used.
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Hi Beau. I have to take issue with the notion that Iran would ever use a nuke in their own region or abroad. That would not perpetuate themselves or advance their goals whatsoever. This is similar to the fevered pitch in 2003 when Americans were frightened with the notion that if we didn't act NOW, we would see mushroom clouds over a US city. So far the world has only seen that twice.
 
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