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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Considering that wars, and terrorism, have been going on throughout recorded history, a subject apparently not taught in today's schools, it hard to believe that it just began when America happened along.
    Well then, IF that's what you believe, you need to go back to school. Instead of remaining ignorant, why don't you read the Cato paper, educate yourself and get on the right side of this, and in so doing you too can become a part of the solution. Or just keep posting sarcasm.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

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    Fund and militarize a theocratic Jewish nation to preemptively attack a theocratic Muslim nation. This is exactly what you are proposing.
    Israel is not a theocracy. You've been misinformed.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well then, IF that's what you believe, you need to go back to school. Instead of remaining ignorant, why don't you read the Cato paper, educate yourself and get on the right side of this, and in so doing you too can become a part of the solution. Or just keep posting sarcasm.
    You believe that wars, and terrorism, haven't been going on throughout history?

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

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    There is no oil protection.

    The US has lost in the Middle East, refused the Canadian pipeline, halted exploration on government lands, outlawed coal, and siphoned off money to political cronies for solar power and wind power disasters.

    China and Russia are building a canal across Nicaragua and will use Venezuelan oil, and will undoubtedly move into Mexico as well. Everyone is getting organized except the United States.

    China to Build $6 Billion Venezuelan Oil Refinery Project in Nicaragua | Tropical Daily
    I'm not talking about today... I'm talking about during the first Gulf War. The Saudis asked the US to assist them in defending against the possibility of further aggression from Saddam. This is the incident which made an enemy of Bin Laden and his ilk.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm not talking about today... I'm talking about during the first Gulf War. The Saudis asked the US to assist them in defending against the possibility of further aggression from Saddam. This is the incident which made an enemy of Bin Laden and his ilk.
    Bin Ladin was a private citizen and no government policy will satisfy everyone. There are many terrorist groups throughout the world and no country, including the United States, can adapt their foreign policy to satisfy all of them.

    The United States is now allowing terrorists in the Middle East to flourish, and through deliberate design. That was not the case in previous administrations.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Bin Ladin was a private citizen and no government policy will satisfy everyone. There are many terrorist groups throughout the world and no country, including the United States, can adapt their foreign policy to satisfy all of them.

    The United States is now allowing terrorists in the Middle East to flourish, and through deliberate design. That was not the case in previous administrations.
    The truth of the matter is, that the primary reason that Bin Laden attacked us on 9/11, was because of our involvement in the ME. Some could argue that even if we hadn't gotten involved in the first Gulf War, we would of been dragged into a situation there one way or another, and perhaps that's true. But that is a hypothetical; what is fact is that Bin Laden declared war on the US because of our involvement in the first Gulf War.

    Your second point does hold some weight, but that's only if ISIS is a threat to the US, and I don't think that has been established. For one, all their resources are currently caught up in waging a war on three sides (and possibly a forth if and when Iranians get involved). I'm not exactly sure how intelligent the leaders of ISIS are, but I doubt there going to provoke an attack from the US at a time like this.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You believe that wars, and terrorism, haven't been going on throughout history?
    When did anything in any of my posts inform you of such. Cato's paper that you're fearful to read addresses the fact that US interference in the ME is fuelling extremists, and breeding terrorism. It's almost embarrassing to have to point out the obvious.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The truth of the matter is, that the primary reason that Bin Laden attacked us on 9/11, was because of our involvement in the ME. Some could argue that even if we hadn't gotten involved in the first Gulf War, we would of been dragged into a situation there one way or another, and perhaps that's true. But that is a hypothetical; what is fact is that Bin Laden declared war on the US because of our involvement in the first Gulf War
    . And if not that then he may have attacked for some other reason.We see many Islamists now spreading terrorism throughout the world, not just in the Middle East, and this is no fault of the Americans, though they are often quick to accept responsibility and blame themselves.
    Your second point does hold some weight, but that's only if ISIS is a threat to the US, and I don't think that has been established.
    They have threatened the US, have been beheading hundreds of people and are moving towards Baghdad. The Iraqi government has been begging for help since last August and Obama has refused, fearing it would look as though his decision to leave Iraq was the wrong one, which it certainly was.
    For one, all their resources are currently caught up in waging a war on three sides (and possibly a forth if and when Iranians get involved). I'm not exactly sure how intelligent the leaders of ISIS are, but I doubt there going to provoke an attack from the US at a time like this.
    No one is worried about the US. Not the Islamists, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans, Pakistanis or anyone else you can name.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When did anything in any of my posts inform you of such. Cato's paper that you're fearful to read addresses the fact that US interference in the ME is fuelling extremists, and breeding terrorism. It's almost embarrassing to have to point out the obvious.
    CATO is wrong. The fact that there is Islamic terrorism throughout the world, and that it began well before Desert Storm, should demonstrate this.

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    Re: US, world powers agree to extend deadline for Iran to meet nuclear scale-back dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And if not that then he may have attacked for some other reason.We see many Islamists now spreading terrorism throughout the world, not just in the Middle East, and this is no fault of the Americans, though they are often quick to accept responsibility and blame themselves.
    But it all stems from the same issue, perceived US entanglement in the ME. And while it is true there are numerous causes for the scourge of radical Islam, we're not really talking about why those countries are affected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They have threatened the US, have been beheading hundreds of people and are moving towards Baghdad. The Iraqi government has been begging for help since last August and Obama has refused, fearing it would look as though his decision to leave Iraq was the wrong one, which it certainly was.
    There's a difference between rhetoric though and the capacity to do so. IF ISIS were to survive, then it is true they would be a threat to the US. However, I don't think they'll survive the conflict they find themselves in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one is worried about the US. Not the Islamists, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans, Pakistanis or anyone else you can name.
    I guess that depends on how you define "worried". No one is going to outright attack American interest, because they know they would get hit back decisively. However, as long as they don't directly involve us, then it is true that their not worried about us getting involved.

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