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Tea Party Groups' Suit Against IRS Moves Forward

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Tea party groups' suit against IRS moves forward

" CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal judge has allowed a lawsuit by 10 tea party groups to move forward against the Internal Revenue Service, rejecting a request by the federal government to dismiss all the allegations that the agency subjected conservative groups to additional, often burdensome scrutiny "

Good for them....
 
Fenton said:
Tea party groups' suit against IRS moves forward

" CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal judge has allowed a lawsuit by 10 tea party groups to move forward against the Internal Revenue Service, rejecting a request by the federal government to dismiss all the allegations that the agency subjected conservative groups to additional, often burdensome scrutiny "

Good for them....
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They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
 
JumpinJack said:
They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
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Huh ?

First, Lois Lerner in 2012 ADMITTED via a planted question that the IRS had targeted Conservative action groups disproportionately.

She, and Obama's official payed Liar Jay Carney, blamed it on " rogue agents in Cincinnati."

But when those rogue agents were put under oath, they said their orders came from Washington.

So the first of many huge lies from the IRS and the WH.

As for other 501C organizations, only 7 Liberal groups were targeted for extra investigation and after a average of two extra questions each, they all received their tax exempt status.

Then came the desperate mitigations from the hacks on the left AND the White House. That the Houses investigation was just a Politically motivated " Witch hunt ".

The problem with that assertion is that if truly was a Politically motivated Witch hunt, the White House and the IRS could have ended the whole thing 2 years ago by simply answering the questions.

You don't counter a " Witch hunt " with 24 Consecutive 5th amendment pleas.

You dont counter a Witch hunt by destroying evidence. No, all the Obama administration and the IRS has done is to perpetuate this scandal and remove all doubt that they used a powerful Federal agency to target innocent Americans.

So you're wrong, they weren't being targeted because they were seeking tax exempt status, they were being targeted because they disagreed with our dear leader and thats HIGHLY ILLEGAL and corrupt.
 
JumpinJack said:
They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
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Oh for gawds sake we all know Obama and his gang are a bunch corrupt liars, spare us the nonsense.

Look at all the scandals going on yet you feel on this one there was no wrong doing, really ? :lol:
 
JumpinJack said:
They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
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What was the IRS's probable cause?
 
Fenton said:
Tea party groups' suit against IRS moves forward

" CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal judge has allowed a lawsuit by 10 tea party groups to move forward against the Internal Revenue Service, rejecting a request by the federal government to dismiss all the allegations that the agency subjected conservative groups to additional, often burdensome scrutiny "

Good for them....
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good.... the issue should have it's day in court.
 
JumpinJack said:
They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
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well, maybe you should provide your evidence to the defense team and see how it all pans out in court.
 
Fenton said:
Huh ?

First, Lois Lerner in 2012 ADMITTED via a planted question that the IRS had targeted Conservative action groups disproportionately.

She, and Obama's official payed Liar Jay Carney, blamed it on " rogue agents in Cincinnati."

But when those rogue agents were put under oath, they said their orders came from Washington.

So the first of many huge lies from the IRS and the WH.

As for other 501C organizations, only 7 Liberal groups were targeted for extra investigation and after a average of two extra questions each, they all received their tax exempt status.

Then came the desperate mitigations from the hacks on the left AND the White House. That the Houses investigation was just a Politically motivated " Witch hunt ".

The problem with that assertion is that if truly was a Politically motivated Witch hunt, the White House and the IRS could have ended the whole thing 2 years ago by simply answering the questions.

You don't counter a " Witch hunt " with 24 Consecutive 5th amendment pleas.

You dont counter a Witch hunt by destroying evidence. No, all the Obama administration and the IRS has done is to perpetuate this scandal and remove all doubt that they used a powerful Federal agency to target innocent Americans.

So you're wrong, they weren't being targeted because they were seeking tax exempt status, they were being targeted because they disagreed with our dear leader and thats HIGHLY ILLEGAL and corrupt.
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This is what is known "selective memory". What the conservative who are complaining are ignoring is that it wasn't just 'conservative' groups, but groups with just key words as 'occupy' , and 'progressive' and 'Israeli' where also used for higher scrutiny. In other words, groups that were playing politics.

I will have to say about Darral Issa, he is either one of the most incompetency investigators, or someone on personal vendetta.
 
JumpinJack said:
They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
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It wasn't because they were scrutinized.

Read the fine print.
 
RAMOSS said:
This is what is known "selective memory". What the conservative who are complaining are ignoring is that it wasn't just 'conservative' groups, but groups with just key words as 'occupy' , and 'progressive' and 'Israeli' where also used for higher scrutiny. In other words, groups that were playing politics.

I will have to say about Darral Issa, he is either one of the most incompetency investigators, or someone on personal vendetta.
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This is what is known as low information perpetuated blind allegiance

7 Progressive groups were targeted for extra questioning and after 1 or two extra questions, recieved their tax exempt status.

So the narrative that both were targeted is highly dishonest and food for low information Obama apologist.

You can accept that or continue to prattle on with last years debunked talking points, its up to youn

Here's what you can say about Darryl Issa.

His perseverance with the Obama administrations and the IRSs continued obstruction is building one hell of a legacy for this President and the Democrat party.

You don't counter a empty political motivated " witch hunt " with lies, 5th amendment pleas and the destruction of evidence.
 
Fenton said:
This is what is known as low information perpetuated blind allegiance

7 Progressive groups were targeted for extra questioning and after 1 or two extra questions, recieved their tax exempt status.

So the narrative that both were targeted is highly dishonest and food for low information Obama apologist.

You can accept that or continue to prattle on with last years debunked talking points, its up to youn

Here's what you can say about Darryl Issa.

His perseverance with the Obama administrations and the IRSs continued obstruction is building one hell of a legacy for this President and the Democrat party.

You don't counter a empty political motivated " witch hunt " with lies, 5th amendment pleas and the destruction of evidence.
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You can complain all you want. What you don't have is evidence.
 
It's fun to watch those who support the current administration try to spin this. The fact is i f the court allowed the case to go forward they clearly saw enough evidence to think it has merit. The opinions of a handful of people on an internet forum doesn't matter, and "the dog ate my email" is not going to cut it in court.
 
Iron Yank said:
Oh for gawds sake we all know Obama and his gang are a bunch corrupt liars, spare us the nonsense.

Look at all the scandals going on yet you feel on this one there was no wrong doing, really ? :lol:
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Hey, not a "smidgen" of corruption. :lamo
 
JumpinJack said:
They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
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That is one thing I haven't seen any conservative consider here. What if those groups were targeted because they were attempting to circumvent American tax law?
 
Kobie said:
That is one thing I haven't seen any conservative consider here. What if those groups were targeted because they were attempting to circumvent American tax law?
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I don't doubt that was the IRS's motivation..... the ****ty part comes about due to discriminatory targeting.

this whole ordeal was initiated by Democratic congresscritters butthurt over Citizens United . they implored the IRS to get the ball rolling ( which is completely understandable, considering their perspective on CU ...and i don't mind such .
oversight one damned bit)
I'm not sure who decided to go after conservative groups primarily, but it was an improper decision... a decision that a couple of congresscritters( Orrin Hatch and John Kyl ) were concerned about before the ball got rolling
these 2 guys insisted that Treasury provide an IG to ensure impartiality.... and lo and behold, we find out that this idea to provide oversight was a good idea, as it uncovered discrimination and improper criteria for targeting groups.

the good news in all of this is that Democratic and Republican leaders, alike, have come together to condemn such behavior.....hopefully the rank and file follows suit, but that doesn't seem likely..... too many people still support and/or defend the IRS's behavior on the matter.
 
Thrilla said:
I don't doubt that was the IRS's motivation..... the ****ty part comes about due to discriminatory targeting.

this whole ordeal was initiated by Democratic congresscritters butthurt over Citizens United . they implored the IRS to get the ball rolling ( which is completely understandable, considering their perspective on CU ...and i don't mind such .
oversight one damned bit)
I'm not sure who decided to go after conservative groups primarily, but it was an improper decision... a decision that a couple of congresscritters( Orrin Hatch and John Kyl ) were concerned about before the ball got rolling
these 2 guys insisted that Treasury provide an IG to ensure impartiality.... and lo and behold, we find out that this idea to provide oversight was a good idea, as it uncovered discrimination and improper criteria for targeting groups.

the good news in all of this is that Democratic and Republican leaders, alike, have come together to condemn such behavior.....hopefully the rank and file follows suit, but that doesn't seem likely..... too many people still support and/or defend the IRS's behavior on the matter.
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They are defending Obama, no matter what happens on his watch. The IRS targeting conservative groups is all OK with the Obama supporters and/or defenders.
 
Kobie said:
That is one thing I haven't seen any conservative consider here. What if those groups were targeted because they were attempting to circumvent American tax law?
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They still need to do it in an even handed way.
 
RAMOSS said:
You can complain all you want. What you don't have is evidence.
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Lol !

Lois Lerner ADMITTED in 2012 that these Conservative groups were targeted.

Anyway, you're still not getting it.

The Obama administration chose to perpetuate this scandal and legitimize these charges rather than be open and honest.

They made the decision that perception was better than proof and they made that decision after Lerner ADMITTED to the targeting of Conservative groups in 2012.

I guess they thought Americans would forget that.

For anyone who's not a blind follower of the Obama administration the perception is growing that this White House was involved in the unprecedented targeting of innocent Americans based on their Political views.

Thats because AGAIN, there is no stupidier strategy for countering " politically motivated witch hunts " than with obstruction and lies and the destruction of evidence.

Obama's trying to do the impossible. He's trying to shut down a politically motivated investigation by perpetuating it and lending credibility to the charges leveled against his administration.

Only left wing Obama sycophants actually believe his administration is innocent, and thats fine with me.

They have serious some credibility issues too and won't be the people who get to define his legacy.
 
She was instructed to 'admit' it. It was a 'staged' admission. It is also a fact that other groups, that were not conservative, but were progressive were also targeted.
 
Kobie said:
That is one thing I haven't seen any conservative consider here. What if those groups were targeted because they were attempting to circumvent American tax law?
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I've addressed it before

Undoubtably some were. But I'm unable to believe that the disparity between liberal and conservative groups attempting to circumvent American tax law is anywhere on line with the disparity of additional scrutiny given to conservative groups compared to liberal ones.

You know one thing I haven't seen many liberals consider here? Why is it okay to point out disproportionate action under the law when it comes to race, but somehow disproportionate action under the law as it relates to ideology is not a legitimate thing to point to in this case?
 
RAMOSS said:
She was instructed to 'admit' it. It was a 'staged' admission. It is also a fact that other groups, that were not conservative, but were progressive were also targeted.
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That makes ZERO sense.

Who " instructed " her admit to illegally targeting American Citizens based on their Political views and why ?

And we've already been over the "other groups " false narrative.

I'm beginning to wonder if you're having reading comprehension issues.

One more time, the tax exempt status for 7 Progressive groups were held back for additional questioning.

After 1 or two extra questions each they were given their tax exempt status.

The tax exempt status for Conservative groups were held back for YEARS plus additional Federal agencies were instructed to harrass these people.
 
Fenton said:
Tea party groups' suit against IRS moves forward

" CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal judge has allowed a lawsuit by 10 tea party groups to move forward against the Internal Revenue Service, rejecting a request by the federal government to dismiss all the allegations that the agency subjected conservative groups to additional, often burdensome scrutiny "

Good for them....
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Good. Bring on the trial and lets see if any these tea party groups really are "social charites" that qualify for 501c status.


If those groups don't like the "burdensome scrutiny" of the IRS then wait until they see the "burdensome scrutiny" of the justice system. lol
 
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Moot said:
Good. Bring on the trial and lets see if any these tea party groups really are "social charity" that qualify for 501c status.


If those groups don't like the "burdensome scrutiny" of the IRS then wait until they see the "burdensome scrutiny" of the justice system. lol
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So much for due process, eh? To hell with equal protection under the law?

What a wonderful country you want to create!
 
JumpinJack said:
They'll lose. The IRS seems to have targeted groups that were set up in recent months, whose main purpose was to not pay taxes, and which were formed as tax-exempt organizations. So, duh. We would expect the IRS to target such groups. If those groups were conservative, so be it. But that's not why those were targeted. If those groups were liberal, then so be it. But that's not why those groups were targeted.

BTW, the IRS targeted other groups, in addition to those.
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See guys? Nothing to see here. The IRS simply targeted guilty groups to investigate if they were guilty. :roll:
 
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