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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Al Jazeera is reporting. They have far less opinion and commentary than does FOX and CNN. I watched them this am and see that they reported that a senior WH official has confirmed that the separatists brought the plane down with a SAM, although this senior WH official, nor Al Jazeera offered any evidence to support the claim.
    There is plenty of evidence, they are the ones who have been shooting planes over the past few months, and seem adamant about preventing investigators from investigating the plane which means they are probably responsible for it. The rebels do not want people to have evidence of who did it.

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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Eazel View Post
    Various statements made by Russian separatists around the time of the incident; the nature of the weapon used (heavy duty, can not be bought on the black market - only makes sense if it was either supplied by the Russians or stolen); the knowledge required to operate such machinery; and so on. So far, from what we know, the Russian hypothesis fits best, but perhaps more evidence will be uncovered at a later stage.
    As Apache and others have pointed out, the separatists had control of supply stores from the beginning with such weapons, and there were some Ukrainian army defectors that joined them. Means and motive isn't proof. Kiev certainly has the means and motive as well.
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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    There is plenty of evidence, they are the ones who have been shooting planes over the past few months, and seem adamant about preventing investigators from investigating the plane which means they are probably responsible for it. The rebels do not want people to have evidence of who did it.
    MILITARY AIRCRAFT! The separatists don't trust Kiev in possession of the evidence anymore than Kiev don't trust them. Of course they're going to guard it.
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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    The idiot US gummint created the crisis that led to the downing by supplying in excess of $5 billion of taxpayer aid to anti-Yanukovych groups.

    U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here's Where Some Goes

    Without such aid, there wouldn't have been an illegal coup against the democratically elected regime in the Ukraine, and hence, no need for pro-Russian groups to wage a civil war against the anti-Yanukovych groups. In war, accidental shoot downs (and/or friendly fire) happen.

    The American taxpayer (and especially the moronic war-mongering right wing) in the US needs to grow up and start holding its govt. accountable.

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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The idiot US gummint created the crisis that led to the downing by supplying in excess of $5 billion of taxpayer aid to anti-Yanukovych groups.

    U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here's Where Some Goes

    Without such aid, there wouldn't have been an illegal coup against the democratically elected regime in the Ukraine, and hence, no need for pro-Russian groups to wage a civil war against the anti-Yanukovych groups. In war, accidental shoot downs (and/or friendly fire) happen.

    The American taxpayer (and especially the moronic war-mongering right wing) in the US needs to grow up and start holding its govt. accountable.
    These guys don't get that. It's always US benevolent, everyone else evil.
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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Where have I heard the slam dunk before? What's rt, Press TV, Al Jazeera, and CCTV saying? Going to have to hear it all. Do investigations first. Who would find Washington credible at this point.
    The investigation has been underway since the plane was shot down.

    Deny what you want but this the latest evidence available. Though incomplete, all evidence is pointing at the rebels.

    "Evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile from an area controlled by Russian-backed separatists inside of Ukraine," Obama said, noting that it's not the only time in recent months that the pro-Russia rebels had taken down airplanes.
    ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power,

    in a presentation to the U.N. Security Council, said that pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine had been spotted by a Western journalist manning an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system at a location near where MH17 went down just hours before the plane crashed.

    "We assess Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 ... was likely downed by a surface-to-air [SAM] missile, an SA-11, operated from a separatist-held location in eastern Ukraine," she said.

    Separatists had posted videos and boasts online about downing a Ukrainian plane Thursday, Power said, adding that some of those materials have since been deleted.

    "Because of the technical complexity of the SA-11, it is unlikely that the separatists could effectively operate the system without assistance from knowledgeable personnel. Thus we cannot rule out technical assistance from Russian personnel in operating the systems," she added.
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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The investigation has been underway since the plane was shot down.

    Deny what you want but this the latest evidence available. Though incomplete, all evidence is pointing at the rebels.





    Obama: Evidence MH17 Hit By Missile From Rebel-Held Area Of Ukraine : The Two-Way : NPR
    Samantha powers NO evidence has been presented, only claims. That said, if the Russian separatists shot down the plane it would be apparent that it was mistaken identity.
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    Re: Missile launcher used to down jet likely back in Russia

    And so the story is refined.

    The ongoing writing of history for future generations to read about. Untrue, but written.

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