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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Nobody trusts anybody with the evidence.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    I just have two questions...

    1 - who fired the rocket that brought the plane down?

    2 - what was the plane doing in hostile airspace?

    I am guessing that I will never know the answer to both.

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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I just have two questions...

    1 - who fired the rocket that brought the plane down?

    2 - what was the plane doing in hostile airspace?
    The answer to number one will depend on who you're asking.
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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The answer to number one will depend on who you're asking.
    That is what I am afraid of.

    But no matter who shot it down...what the heck was a modern passenger plane doing flying near/over a civil war zone where other aircraft had been shot down?

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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    That is what I am afraid of.

    But no matter who shot it down...what the heck was a modern passenger plane doing flying near/over a civil war zone where other aircraft had been shot down?
    I think the restricted air was to an elevation of 32,000 feet (320) and the pilots flight plan request was 35,000 and he was instructed by Ukrainian ATC's to fly at 33,000. But there's going to be an unbelievable amount of information coming out over the next days and weeks. Truths, part truths, lies, hyperbole, disinformation. It's likely going to be sometime now, but in the end there won't be any sort of consensus.
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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think the restricted are was to an elevation of 32,000 feet (320) and the pilots flight plan request was 35,000 and he was instructed by Ukrainian ATC's to fly at 33,000. But there's going to be an unbelievable amount of information in coming out over days and weeks. Truths, part truths, lies, hyperbole, disinformation. It's likely going to be sometime now, but in the end there won't be any sort of consensus.
    Yes, I read that as well...thanks.

    But why would they direct a plane to even fly anywhere near a civil war zone where other aircraft (at a lower altitude, granted) had previously been shot down? Especially since flying around the zone would not have been a large delay in flight time.

    That seems overly risky to me.

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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yes, I read that as well...thanks.

    But why would they direct a plane to even fly anywhere near a civil war zone where other aircraft (at a lower altitude, granted) had previously been shot down? Especially since flying around the zone would not have been a large delay in flight time.

    That seems overly risky to me.
    Would it not advance Kiev's interests if the separatists downed a civilian aircraft they mistook for a military aircraft?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Would it not advance Kiev's interests if the separatists downed a civilian aircraft they mistook for a military aircraft?
    Yes...that was my first thought.

    But I was hoping that was too cynical.

    Along those lines...

    Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet

    ...'It now appears that answer will not be forthcoming because as the BBC reports "Ukraine's SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency."'

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...gs-malaysian-j
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    Re: Gunmen guard mh17 crash site

    President Obama on Friday ruled out a military response to the shoot down of a Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine while charging that Russian President Vladimir Putin was partially responsible for the tragedy that killed 298.
    "He (Putin) has the most control over that situation, and so far, at least, he has not exercised it," Obama said at the White House on Friday.
    Obama Rules Out Military Response in Ukraine | Military.com

    That sums up.

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