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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And the fact that even the media admit that the separatists have one of those long range AA missile system batteries...but what they always forget to mention is that it was taken from the Ukrainian army. Sadly the western media are drinking the pro-Kiev-pro-Western koolaid just as badly as the Russia media are eating the pro-Russian koolaid.
    Yes, it is sad but it happens when the new Ukrainian Government was approved by the West. Russia media is just as bad but there is a truth in the middle which is why I am never going half cocked on blaming whoever two mins later. It's a crapfest on both sides. It's a dirty war and people need to realize 90% of what you hear is propaganda.
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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, it is sad but it happens when the new Ukrainian Government was approved by the West. Russia media is just as bad but there is a truth in the middle which is why I am never going half cocked on blaming whoever two mins later. It's a crapfest on both sides. It's a dirty war and people need to realize 90% of what you hear is propaganda.
    That little? Would say 98%! But it is hardly the only conflict where this crap goes on.
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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's a no brainer Danarhea.

    There's a civil war or more likely, a proxy war being fought in and over the Ukraine. No commercial flights should have been allowed over the Ukraine. It's the international commercial air traffic controllers and commercial air companies who are at fault, not the Russian backed rebels, Putin or the Ukraine government.

    It's no different than the USS Vinessence incident where a commercial airliner took off from Iran and heading directly at a U.S. Navy warship. We shot it down. It was during the "Tanker War" in the Persian Gulf and the Iraq-Iran War. It's called collateral damage. There was a war being fought at the time.

    We all remember when a Korean Air Lines 747 that was shot down by a Soviet Mig during the 1980's. Back during the Cold War only Warsaw nations commercial aircraft could legally fly over or with in Soviet air space.

    On this chess play on the geopolitical chess board, Putin lost two pawns. At worse a bishop.
    But Obama keeps playing checkers.
    I don't think Putin even lost two pawns. Putin has put his players on the board and they aren't Western countries or allies. Rather it's BRIC nations who've already gotten into bed with Russia. BRIC create own Development Bank and World Bank.
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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That little? Would say 98%! But it is hardly the only conflict where this crap goes on.
    Well sometimes that propaganda has some truth to it. So I give it a solid 90%. But I also filter out Ukrainian Government press releases.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I don't think Putin even lost two pawns. Putin has put his players on the board and they aren't Western countries or allies. Rather it's BRIC nations who've already gotten into bed with Russia. BRIC create own Development Bank and World Bank.
    I'm well aware of that.

    Again Putin plays chess while Obama plays checkers.

    You have a community oraganizer who claimed that geopolitics became obsolete on midnight on 1-1-2000.

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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Want to know what I have a problem with? It's something that has not been brought up yet......

    The Russian separatists had already boasted that they shot down a Ukraine military jet....... And after that, Malaysian Airlines sends a plane on a flight path through that same area? A freaking war zone? I call this absolutely irresponsible. Were the ones who plotted the flight path on drugs when they did it? Idiots!! The families of the victims need to sue the pants off the airline for gross negligence.
    The pilot was personally concerned enough to request a 35,000 ft. Altitude. The restrictive space ceiling ending at 32,000. Ukrainian ATC's instructed him at 33,000 just above it. A Spanish ATC working for the Ukraine said that before the plane disappeared it was being followed (escorted) by two Ukrainian fighter jets.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Considering that the Kiev government had no control over the east (and still dont fully) for a long period and had tons of troops defect and allow the separatists to loot everything from weapons storage's to tanks, the these weapons could have come from the Ukrainians themselves but they are never going to admit that they have lost control over heavy weaponry. And the accusation of training.. again defecting troops or former troops of the Ukrainian army.

    But yes it is much easier to accuse Russia of bad things than actually asking the hard question.. is it really weapons looted from the Kiev government..... ?
    Americans will continue to hate Russia (cold war hangover) until they're told it's not cool as eventually happened with Germany and Japan.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And the fact that even the media admit that the separatists have one of those long range AA missile system batteries...but what they always forget to mention is that it was taken from the Ukrainian army. Sadly the western media are drinking the pro-Kiev-pro-Western koolaid just as badly as the Russia media are eating the pro-Russian koolaid.
    This always happens, even though our own Hillary Clinton testified to congress that foreign news services are kicking our ass and that we are loosing the information war and that for real news one must go to Al Jazeera.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 07-19-14 at 10:01 AM.
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    Re: From Kalashnikovs to Surface-to-Air Missiles in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I don't think Putin even lost two pawns. Putin has put his players on the board and they aren't Western countries or allies. Rather it's BRIC nations who've already gotten into bed with Russia. BRIC create own Development Bank and World Bank.
    Working on an independent Internet too, I think.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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