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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    There wasn't? ... I'm young. The Iranian 655 accident happened before I was. As far I know, that event and the US' refusal to apologize, or even acknowledge our wrongdoing colored Iranian-American relations for years.
    Did you read the link I posted in the thread Maggie started about this very incident? Not only did we apologize, but we paid millions of dollars to the families of the dead. I understand you weren't around when it happened, which is an even larger reason to read about the facts and not make unfounded statements.
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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess that's why the Russians were monitored talking about splashing flight 17.

    Stop with the, "blame America", bull****.
    Soon they'll be blaming George Bush. They're relentless.

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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who's translating that into English?

    And since we agree that they weren't targeting civilians, the supposedly deleted tweet names the military model plane that was hit, then its an accident and we don't need to start a war with them.
    Interesting that now you want to know where the information comes from, as it doesn't agree with your viewpoint. However, you're completely ready to accept you-tube videos posted anonymously online. The tweet is there, if you don't believe that it's right, find someone who knows the language and they'll tell you just the same.

    With everything aside though, I'm not in favor for going to war either. If anything, I really blame the Malaysians for thinking it was a good idea to fly over that war-zone when everyone knew that the rebels had been shooting down planes. If we do become more committed to the region (whether that is with military aid or intelligence or beefing up our forces in eastern Europe), it's not really because they shot down the airplane so much as the confirmation that they are receiving support from the Russians. And if Russia is going to get involved within a civil war, and their neck deep into it to be sure, then we have to supply support to counter their ambitions in Ukraine. Honestly, I wish everyone would just stay out of it, but that's not the world we live in.

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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Interesting that now you want to know where the information comes from, as it doesn't agree with your viewpoint. However, you're completely ready to accept you-tube videos posted anonymously online. The tweet is there, if you don't believe that it's right, find someone who knows the language and they'll tell you just the same.

    With everything aside though, I'm not in favor for going to war either. If anything, I really blame the Malaysians for thinking it was a good idea to fly over that war-zone when everyone knew that the rebels had been shooting down planes. If we do become more committed to the region (whether that is with military aid or intelligence or beefing up our forces in eastern Europe), it's not really because they shot down the airplane so much as the confirmation that they are receiving support from the Russians. And if Russia is going to get involved within a civil war, and their neck deep into it to be sure, then we have to supply support to counter their ambitions in Ukraine. Honestly, I wish everyone would just stay out of it, but that's not the world we live in.
    Why is it interesting that I want to know your source? You like the english version so confirmation isn't necessary for you. Not sure what video you speak of. What could you mean, the shooting down of this plane is confirmation that Russia is supporting Russian separatists? You didn't know this all along, have you ever listened to the Russian foreign minister all these months? You can't just listen to US propaganda you know, you will be ill informed. Of course Russia has chosen a side in this conflict, much as the US has chosen sides in dozens of conflicts ever since the infancy of our imperialism.
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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    What advantage could Russia or the rebels possibly have gained by shooting down an airliner?

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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not everyone agrees with that.
    There are people that still think 9/11 was an inside job, too.
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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are people that still think 9/11 was an inside job, too.
    Some people, and the number is growing, KNOW that it was an inside job.

    There are people who still believe the very tall tale told by the MSM and the government, 13 years later. But, people believed the earth was the center of the universe for hundreds of years, so that puts things into perspective.

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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When the US accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner, there was little reaction or fallout, so IF the separatists shot this plane down, there should be the same response. I'm suggesting Ukraine has the motive and the means to have done this, that's all I'm saying, I'm not making the accusation.
    Uh ... I'm not sure you understand how nation states work.

    Being a citizen of a nation state is like being a made man in an organized crime syndicate. The backing of that organization and its resources makes you untouchable among other criminals who would otherwise be inclined to stab you in the back or take you for a mark. Similarly, if the nation doesn't back you up, then everyone (enemies, dependants, allies) loses belief in its power and its stops being able to exert influence on world affairs because nobody takes them seriously when they claim they will be able to make things happen. The less able the United States or European Union are able to retaliate for this action, the less *everyone* believes in them.

    One of the disadvantages of being a rogue or a weak state is that when bad things happen to you, you don't have the diplomatic, military, and economic connections -- "the muscle" -- to make things worse for the person who wronged you.
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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    What advantage could Russia or the rebels possibly have gained by shooting down an airliner?
    That's been the point I've been making all along. It's only effect is damaging and global condemnation as were seeing plenty of now, long before all the hearsay, rumour, disinformation, truths, half truths and lies have been sifted through. And before an investigation has even begun, let alone been completed. But then none of that matters when your in the business of fixing the intelligence around the policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are people that still think 9/11 was an inside job, too.
    Well of course there is, just like there are actually people that still think that Bush was a good president, and there should only be vanilla ice cream. There's still people that think black people are not equal to a whole person.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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