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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

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    Post a link to this fact. I'm fascinated to read the findings.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

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    When did the conservatives say that the cost of Obamacare premiums would "skyrocket" in 2014?
    ‘Skyrocketing’ Premiums
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You think surveying one insurer in 11 states is valid, and you think I don't understand statistics!!
    First off, way to count. I see 10 states with 1 responder.

    Second, are you claiming that the responders data is in error? Because the 4 of those report are lower than 11%/12% found by Morgan Stanley. So out of the 7 states that were showing lower than the the study's derived average you would like to throw 4 out? What do you think that would do for the average?

    Third, statistical analysis uses weighted data points to attempt to match the general population when the data points are unevenly distributed. So a single responder in Delaware would not be weighted the same as 8 respondents in New York, and 31 in Illinois would not be granted the same weight each as 1 in Oregon. This is statistics 101 level, Sangha. This study is an investment report for the insurance industry and I would expect that they have at least that level of statistical know how.

    Also, there is another hot topic I know of where large swaths of gridded statistical data points are drawn in areas without a single real data point!
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    First off, way to count. I see 10 states with 1 responder.
    And you think that makes for a valid survey!!!
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Hmmm... lets see...

    Another intellectually dishonest attempt to prove lower premiums by discounting subsidies. Check.

    Tries to prove ACA premiums aren't skyrocketing by using 2013 data before anyone had ACA insurance. Check.

    References an article written a month before Open Enrollment as evidence that ACA plan, not yet available, will be cheaper. Check.

    Yeah, this is a wonderfully misleading campaign ad for the Democrats, but as a fact check it sucks. It is amazing that an organization like Factcheck can write an article about ACA insurance plans in April of 2014 and spend all of their time citing opinion pieces from before open enrollment had even begun.

    Even more amazing are the endless stream of people that post it as evidence of anything.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And you think that makes for a valid survey!!!
    Yes, it is. Your ignorance of statistics is not a very compelling argument.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    oh yes. The mandate. That keeps getting held over our heads... because that will do.... something.

    Chicken Little, mandate version. Coming to a midterm election to you soon (after the skyrocketing premium meme craps out)!
    What's the skyrocketing premium meme?

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Cost cuts? Reform of the system?

    That was called the ACA.
    of which if you know how to read a chart it did neither. if you notice the costs are still increasing just not as much. which still means an increase. it just delays what will happen by a few years.

    if it was actually ruducing anything then you would see a downward trend in the graph there is no downward trend it is all up and up and up.
    there is no decrease. it is still increasing just not as much as it was.

    so before commenting on other people about their ability to read a graph you should do the same. i see nothing significant or even to get excited about that.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You don't need a lesson on economics.

    You need a simple review on reading graphs!

    It's a LOWER share of GDP!
    So the question is a lower share of what GDP? If the GDP goes up and the percentage is less of a higher GDP does that mean we are spending less? Didn't think so, guess that is similar logic to those claiming that taking the debt from 900 billion to 2.6 trillion is worse than taking it from 10.6 trillion to 17.6 trillion because the percentage change is less. That is liberal logic.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hmmm... lets see...

    Another intellectually dishonest attempt to prove lower premiums by discounting subsidies. Check.

    Tries to prove ACA premiums aren't skyrocketing by using 2013 data before anyone had ACA insurance. Check.

    References an article written a month before Open Enrollment as evidence that ACA plan, not yet available, will be cheaper. Check.

    Yeah, this is a wonderfully misleading campaign ad for the Democrats, but as a fact check it sucks. It is amazing that an organization like Factcheck can write an article about ACA insurance plans in April of 2014 and spend all of their time citing opinion pieces from before open enrollment had even begun.

    Even more amazing are the endless stream of people that post it as evidence of anything.
    there is a new lawsuit in the mix that could kill obamacare if the court rules the way it should.

    It says that the only people that should get subsidies are the ones that had the states setup their own exchange. that is the wording in the bill.
    needless to say million of people on the federal website get subsidies which is not written into the law.

    now if the SCOTUS overturns that then millions of people will see a 300-400 increase in their healthcare plan premium. basically what they would be paying before the subsidy.

    you can't count the subsidy in as a premium reduction. it is dishonest.
    what you have to compare are plan rates before the ACA and plan rates after the ACA without subsidies. if they are lower then the bill did it's job.
    if they are higher then the bill didn't do it's job and utterly failed.

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