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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Isn't part of the reason for federal spending going down is that state costs are going up?
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Lots of words, but none of them explain how the MS study can be valid when it only surveyed one insurer in 11 states
    Because you don't understand how statistics work?
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Because you don't understand how statistics work?
    You think surveying one insurer in 11 states is valid, and you think I don't understand statistics!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You mean the reality that the ACA will destroy our healthcare?

    The one we heard in 2009, 2010, 2011,2012,2013, and are hearing right now?

    And virtully every single doomsday prediction we heard turned out to be... a little bump, if it existed at all?

    I have a feeling that you are just waiting for reality because its RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER! BOO!
    You mean the reality that much of the funding for ACA has been suspended ???

    1. CLASS, long term care provisions budgeted to bring in $86 billion over ten years.........scrapped.

    2. Employer / Individual Mandate Penalties, projected to bring in $101 billion over ten years..........delayed.

    3. Medicare Advantage, cuts to Medicare Advantage projected to bring in $128 billion over ten years...........scrapped by White House.

    This boondoggle will break the country. More provisions designed to partially pay for it are being scrapped on a weekly basis.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    oh yes. The mandate. That keeps getting held over our heads... because that will do.... something.

    Chicken Little, mandate version. Coming to a midterm election to you soon (after the skyrocketing premium meme craps out)!
    Ahh, unable to refute my comment.

    Typical.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    More doctors accept Medicare than ever before
    Which of course misses the point entirely and missuses the statistic entirely.

    If you have 5 sandwiches you can use to feed 5 people at a party. If you then buy 10 more sandwiches and 20 people show up you can claim that you have "more [sandwiches] then ever before" but your are still 10 short of what is actually needed.

    We have this huge group of baby boomers that are going to be retiring in the next 10 years and going on Medicare, somehow you missed this?
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Which of course misses the point entirely and missuses the statistic entirely.

    If you have 5 sandwiches you can use to feed 5 people at a party. If you then buy 10 more sandwiches and 20 people show up you can claim that you have "more [sandwiches] then ever before" but your are still 10 short of what is actually needed.

    We have this huge group of baby boomers that are going to be retiring in the next 10 years and going on Medicare, somehow you missed this?
    No, somehow you missed the fact that we have a record # of Medicare doctors, which proves another of the delusional right wings predictions wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    oh yes. The mandate. That keeps getting held over our heads... because that will do.... something.

    Chicken Little, mandate version. Coming to a midterm election to you soon (after the skyrocketing premium meme craps out)!
    Skyrocketing premiums ???? You mean like these:

    Health Plan Premiums Are Skyrocketing According To New Survey Of 148 Insurance Brokers, With Delaware Up 100%, California 53%, Florida 37%, Pennsylvania 28%
    Forbes

    Americans who face higher *insurance costs under President Obama’s health-care law are angrily complaining about “sticker shock,” threatening to become a new political force opposing the law even as the White House struggles to convince other consumers that they will benefit from it
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    Washington Post

    Health insurance premiums have risen more after Obamacare than the average premium increases over the eight years before it became law, according to the private health exchange eHealthInsurance.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, somehow you missed the fact that we have a record # of Medicare doctors, which proves another of the delusional right wings predictions wrong
    Post a link to this fact. I'm fascinated to read the findings.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh, and by the way, as we know from objective studies, premiums didnt skyrocket (despite the chicken little Conservative pronoucements) in 2014.

    And despite the Chicken Little pronouncements that there was a delay in the increases (at DP, this is often done in the same thread... the skyrocket changes into next years skyrocket, mysteriously), and we will see those increases NEXT year... it looks like the CBO says thats pretty doubtful.

    Smaller premium hikes forecast in 2015 for Obamacare - Jennifer Haberkorn and Brett Norman - POLITICO.com



    And they also say:
    When did the conservatives say that the cost of Obamacare premiums would "skyrocket" in 2014?

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