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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Cost cuts? Reform of the system?

    That was called the ACA.
    Really? How's that working out? Your own chart and accompanying article shows that the cost is unsustainable? The PPACA has shifted costs, not reduced them. In fact, the overall true costs have gone up to the average citizen through increased co-pays, premium increases for individual policies, increased cost shares for employees by their employers, and other out of pocket costs. So much for cost cuts and reform.

    The facts, even in your own OP, don't fit the rhetoric you guys are trying to paint. It should be embarrassing for you, but...
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Ooooh.

    You want the nation to get older and put millions more on Medicare and for it to be LESS expensive than it is now.

    Magical thinking. That's why you believe people like Palin.
    You just can't take being wrong, so you continually come up with your racial and BS remarks.

    I'm just pointing out from your own site, that now you want to make fun of, healthcare cost are going up not down. Yet only a liberal would believe otherwise.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

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    Really? How's that working out? Your own chart and accompanying article shows that the cost is unsustainable? The PPACA has shifted costs, not reduced them. In fact, the overall true costs have gone up to the average citizen through increased co-pays, premium increases for individual policies, increased cost shares for employees by their employers, and other out of pocket costs. So much for cost cuts and reform.

    The facts, even in your own OP, don't fit the rhetoric you guys are trying to paint. It should be embarrassing for you, but...
    One other item that liberals want to ignore is because of Obamacare taxes and penalties (more tax) are going up. This of course is never figured in the cost of healthcare, yet it's money out of the peoples pocket and into governments.

    The real problem is the liberals give the CBO a certain criteria to use so that it shows the results it wants. However threegoofs own posted article said cost are going up. I would think he would have read his own article as it goes completely against what he was boasting.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    One other item that liberals want to ignore is because of Obamacare taxes and penalties (more tax) are going up. This of course is never figured in the cost of healthcare, yet it's money out of the peoples pocket and into governments.

    The real problem is the liberals give the CBO a certain criteria to use so that it shows the results it wants. However threegoofs own posted article said cost are going up. I would think he would have read his own article as it goes completely against what he was boasting.
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    Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Really? How's that working out? Your own chart and accompanying article shows that the cost is unsustainable? The PPACA has shifted costs, not reduced them. In fact, the overall true costs have gone up to the average citizen through increased co-pays, premium increases for individual policies, increased cost shares for employees by their employers, and other out of pocket costs. So much for cost cuts and reform.

    The facts, even in your own OP, don't fit the rhetoric you guys are trying to paint. It should be embarrassing for you, but...
    Shifted costs? How so? People have NOT seen much of a rise in premiums, or any of the other things you allege. It's actually been pretty reasonable inflation overall. So the control of overall healthcare costs has been rising much slower than historically, and I'm guessing we can probably credit the ACA for some of that, although time will tell.

    The cost being unsustainable is a subjective observation. I think it looks like it is a heck of a lot more sustainable than it did in 2007!
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    One other item that liberals want to ignore is because of Obamacare taxes and penalties (more tax) are going up. This of course is never figured in the cost of healthcare, yet it's money out of the peoples pocket and into governments.

    The real problem is the liberals give the CBO a certain criteria to use so that it shows the results it wants. However threegoofs own posted article said cost are going up. I would think he would have read his own article as it goes completely against what he was boasting.
    Ah. Now the CBO is a liberal tool.

    No- what I pretty clearly stated was that the GDP projections were going down. And that's not because we project less seniors to be getting Medicare in the future, it's because we have got working cost controls for Medicare.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Shifted costs? How so? People have NOT seen much of a rise in premiums, or any of the other things you allege. It's actually been pretty reasona
    Rising premiums, increased deductibles and OOP maximums, additional taxes on DMG's, businesses required to provide insurance (and pay a portion of the premiums) and you don't understand the phrase shifted costs?

    Where do you think the money comes from to provide the subsidies? If you don't believe that's not a portion of shifted costs, I really don't think you need to be in this thread...
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Shifted costs? How so? People have NOT seen much of a rise in premiums, or any of the other things you allege. It's actually been pretty reasonable inflation overall. So the control of overall healthcare costs has been rising much slower than historically, and I'm guessing we can probably credit the ACA for some of that, although time will tell.

    The cost being unsustainable is a subjective observation. I think it looks like it is a heck of a lot more sustainable than it did in 2007!
    Seriously? Did you even read your own OP for God's sake? My costs have skyrocketed as have most of everyone else.

    If you would just... you know what - never mind. I've tried. Someone else can bang their head on that brick wall of ideological blindness you've put up in front of you.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Rising premiums, increased deductibles and OOP maximums, additional taxes on DMG's, businesses required to provide insurance (and pay a portion of the premiums) and you don't understand the phrase shifted costs?

    Where do you think the money comes from to provide the subsidies? If you don't believe that's not a portion of shifted costs, I really don't think you need to be in this thread...
    He's the thread OP and has been arguing with me over facts that I point out are in his own damned OP post!!! Sad, but hilarious... for a while anyway. I have better things to do at this point than try to teach a member how to read their own posts and fact check their claims.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Ah. Now the CBO is a liberal tool.
    It's not just a liberal tool, both parties use it to skew the results in their favor. Garbage in garbage out. As a result I don't put a much faith in any CBO report from either party.
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