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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Evidence from predictably biased sources, you mean?

    Read these for your edification:


    Health Cost Increases in 2013 Were Lowest in Decade: Aon Hewitt

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/21...iums.html?_r=0

    Obamacare Premiums Aren't Living Up to Doomsayers? Predictions - NationalJournal.com


    Blind partisan, indeed. I mean....the Daily Caller?

    You present the debunked study earlier discussed in the thread, a story of someone with crap health insurance being forced to get conforming insurance and not liking the price, and some nutty story about a 39% premium rise (absurd on its face, even though it clearly says it didn't bother to include subsidies in the calculation).

    You have to understand the issue before you criticize it, man.
    The Washington Post and Forbes are biased ????

    You are getting desperate aren't you?

    Just wait until these people with subsidies get hit with a $5,000. out of pocket bill. They won't be so supportive of it then.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If by "'less' and 'lower'" you mean .1% of GDP in 25 years, then you are correct.

    Much like the woman who would gladly agree to sleep with me for a million dollars, I guess now we both agree that the ACA has had a positive impact on budget projections. Now we can just haggle on the price. And I'd say the 25 year projection is quite generous.
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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The Washington Post and Forbes are biased ????

    You are getting desperate aren't you?
    No, he was referring to the biased study their articles were based on

    Just wait until these people with subsidies get hit with a $5,000. out of pocket bill. They won't be so supportive of it then.
    I bet they will wish for the days when there was no limit on their out of pocket expenses
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, he was referring to the biased study their articles were based on



    I bet they will wish for the days when there was no limit on their out of pocket expenses
    What was the % of plans available in the individual, small group, and large group that didn't have a limit on out-of-pocket expenses? I've been unable to find any survey on that rate. Additionally, those caps still aren't in effect yet for small or large group policies.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    What was the % of plans available in the individual, small group, and large group that didn't have a limit on out-of-pocket expenses? I've been unable to find any survey on that rate. Additionally, those caps still aren't in effect yet for small or large group policies.
    The % of no limit on OOP costs was 100% for people who were previously uninsured
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The Washington Post and Forbes are biased ????

    You are getting desperate aren't you?

    Just wait until these people with subsidies get hit with a $5,000. out of pocket bill. They won't be so supportive of it then.
    As we've heard before.. 'wait til next year'!

    Forbes is definitely biased in a lot of its reporting. Its like the WSJ editorial page sometimes.

    The WaPo just got that article wrong. It focused in on a woman who may have been in the relatively small percentage of people who actually are paying more and getting the same thing. But 90% of people are either getting better insurance, or insurance for the first time ever, or getting the same insurance and not paying a whole lot more than they would have historically paid in terms of year over year premium increases.

    And when you have to resort to a Daily Caller piece to bolster the other two....

    The OOP costs, of course, will not necessarily apply to everyone, no matter how much you wish that would happen. Thats an OOP maximum. I consintue to see people misrepresent it as some type of deductible they have to meet before they draw dollar one of insurance. And I guess you wont bother to mention the folks who wont be hitting their lifetime cap.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The % of no limit on OOP costs was 100% for people who were previously uninsured
    That's not what I asked.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    That's not what I asked.
    I know that.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    IE i understand that the OP was about projections and said 'less' and 'lower' so i'll pretend im outraged by medicare costs not going down in the future.
    less would mean a down turn in the graph it isn't less or lower. it is still going UP. going down means a decrease to anyone that knows how to read a graph.
    the graph isn't going down it is going UP.

    so while it might not be as much as before the costs are still going UP.

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    Re: Budget Office Lowers Its Estimate on Federal Spending for Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The Washington Post and Forbes are biased ????

    You are getting desperate aren't you?

    Just wait until these people with subsidies get hit with a $5,000. out of pocket bill. They won't be so supportive of it then.
    to them anything that goes against their ideology is bias.

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