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Hamster Buddha · Jul 18, 2014

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The German said:
what do the maidan protests have to do with news of the crash?!

could you discuss that somewhere else?

I am sure there are threads covering that.

Because the protests, and the subsequent revolution, are the underlying cause for this attack.

The German · Jul 18, 2014

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Hamster Buddha said:
Because the protests, and the subsequent revolution, are the underlying cause for this attack.

doesnt matter.

the attack changes the dynamic of this dramaticaly and the previous events hardly matter in light of the decisions that will be made in the next couple of days

Hamster Buddha · Jul 18, 2014

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The German said:
doesnt matter.

the attack changes the dynamic of this dramaticaly and the previous events hardly matter in light of the decisions that will be made in the next couple of days

I doubt those who have been fighting on the ground on both sides for months would agree.

The German · Jul 18, 2014

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Hamster Buddha said:
I doubt those who have been fighting on the ground on both sides for months would agree.

doesnt matter what they think.

what we europeans, the malaysians, australians and indonesians think now matters.

i hope to see several countries, including the netherlands and malaysia force their russians embassedors out of the country by the end of this week.

because as you are talking events long past, russian militias have prevented investigators from gaining free access to the crash sight.

Hamster Buddha · Jul 18, 2014

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The German said:
doesnt matter what they think.

what we europeans, the malaysians, australians and indonesians think now matters.

i hope to see several countries, including the netherlands and malaysia force their russians embassedors out of the country by the end of this week.

because as you are talking events long past, russian militias have prevented investigators from gaining free access to the crash sight.

None of the countries you mentioned are going to do anything because their either afraid or know it won't do any good. And you know why there are Russian militias preventing them? It's because of the revolution. See how it all goes back to that?

beefheart · Jul 18, 2014

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AJiveMan said:
Sen. Mark Kirk (R) want's to have anti missile defense systems mounted on all civilian aircraft. Oh what a novel idea, til future hijackers grab more planes and fly them into buildings like on 9/11/01, and while our air force tries to shoot 'em down, the terrorists will be laughing in the cockpits. Does this guy have a brain? Please, no need to answer that one. :roll:

Won't happen, unless you want to pay an extra 200 bucks for your 500 mile flight.

Of course Sen Kirk probably gets a whole lot of money from Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing, Bombardier, etc...they would love to sell billions of dollars worth of unneeded hardware.

Wiggen · Jul 18, 2014

apdst said:
Well, he does make it easy.

Yeah, but there's not much he can do about being black.

austrianecon · Jul 18, 2014

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Hamster Buddha said:
I wouldn't underestimate the Russian's ability to defeat US surveillance. In any event, I meant more the fact that it's not in the public eye more so than the US Intelligence not knowing about it. And there is a big difference between us supporting moderates in the middle east in a conflict we didn't start, and Russia instigating this current crisis.

Your kidding right? Defeat US spy satellite capabilities? US spy satellites have resolutions that you wish your cellphone had. US spy Satellites lead to identifying Bin Laden compound. That picture is one that was declassified.. It's virtually impossible to get away from the eye in the sky. You are better off pissing in the wind then trying to hide something from the NRO which is why Russia hasn't hid one damn thing.

All of Russia's movements and supplying has been in the public eye. Kiev just screamed wolf so many times it turned off people from caring.

Hamster Buddha.. US stirred the flames and armed rebels for geopolitical reason in Libya and Syria. But none of them are moderates. It's well known US weapons and material have been getting into the hands of extremist in the area. Hell, ISIS was considered "moderate" by CIA when they were fighting Al Assad. Then ISIS stepped out of line and went "rogue".

US and Russia instigate **** all the time. Russia doesn't want to lose it's geopolitical power in the region. US wants to end Russia geopolitical power because Russia is backing Al-Assad. Welcome to Cold War 2.0.

Hamster Buddha · Jul 18, 2014

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austrianecon said:
Hamster Buddha.. US stirred the flames and armed rebels for geopolitical reason in Libya and Syria. But none of them are moderates. It's well known US weapons and material have been getting into the hands of extremist in the area. Hell, ISIS was considered "moderate" by CIA when they were fighting Al Assad. Then ISIS stepped out of line and went "rogue".

US and Russia instigate **** all the time. Russia doesn't want to lose it's geopolitical power in the region. US wants to end Russia geopolitical power because Russia is backing Al-Assad. Welcome to Cold War 2.0.

First off, I'd like to see a source on the CIA referring to them as moderates as a quick google search didn't find anything on my end. And this whole situation wasn't instigated by either of these powers, but by the Ukrainian people themselves who wanted to move away from Russia domination.

Peter King · Jul 18, 2014

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For me, I do not care how the problems in Ukraine came to be. Most people know or have opinions about it and let us be honest, it was not a clean or proper thing from either side of this conflict.

All I care about is that there is an international investigation, that all relevant intelligence information is given to the appropriate investigation, the black boxes are handed over to that investigation and that the guilty party or parties are caught, dragged to the Hague and prosecuted for their crimes.

donsutherland1 · Jul 18, 2014

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The German said:
what do the maidan protests have to do with news of the crash?!

could you discuss that somewhere else?

I am sure there are threads covering that.

Very little. One could even argue that the end of the Cold War left Ukraine with numerous unresolved issues that have played out since then.

The reality is that the pro-Russia separatists very likely shot the plane down. Their actions deserve scrutiny and those responsible should be held to account. At the same time, it is plausible that Russia might have supplied the surface-to-air missile system to the separatists, though it is at least as likely that it was captured earlier based on previous news reports in June.

iguanaman · Jul 18, 2014

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donsutherland1 said:
Very little. One could even argue that the end of the Cold War left Ukraine with numerous unresolved issues that have played out since then.

The reality is that the pro-Russia separatists very likely shot the plane down. Their actions deserve scrutiny and those responsible should be held to account. At the same time, it is plausible that Russia might have supplied the surface-to-air missile system to the separatists, though it is at least as likely that it was captured earlier based on previous news reports in June.

It requires training to use that missile system. How was that accomplished without the Russians? It always comes back to them.

mtm1963 · Jul 18, 2014

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listening to anderson cooper on CNN.

he made the comparison of the katrina dead and this incidence as if they were the same in recovering the bodies of the dead.

idiot!!

we care, those rebel bastards don't care.

iguanaman · Jul 18, 2014

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Hamster Buddha said:
None of the countries you mentioned are going to do anything because their either afraid or know it won't do any good. And you know why there are Russian militias preventing them? It's because of the revolution. See how it all goes back to that?

You mean it all goes back to Putin who is funding this counter "revolution". The majority of the Ukraine supports the new Govt. and Putin is sending former Russian military and KGB to try and overthrow it or at least make it too risky for European investment.

Montecresto · Jul 18, 2014

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Hamster Buddha said:
If said government were slaughtering people in the street, then yes... yes I would. Are you saying you wouldn't?

If occupy had done the things that the Kiev protesters were doing and our government fired upon them as our National Guard and Marines have done, you would support the overthrow of our government by angry mobs of Americans, firing upon our presidents motorcade as he fled??

Montecresto · Jul 18, 2014

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The German said:
doesnt matter what they think.

what we europeans, the malaysians, australians and indonesians think now matters.

i hope to see several countries, including the netherlands and malaysia force their russians embassedors out of the country by the end of this week.

because as you are talking events long past, russian militias have prevented investigators from gaining free access to the crash sight.

Perhaps that's because they don't trust them with the evidence in their hands anymore than you trust the evidence in Moscow's hands!

Montecresto · Jul 18, 2014

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iguanaman said:
It requires training to use that missile system. How was that accomplished without the Russians? It always comes back to them.

Well sure, everyone knows that the Russians are giving aid to the Russian separatists, even as the US is giving aid to the syrian separatists that are trying to overthrow president Assad.

Hamster Buddha · Jul 18, 2014

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Montecresto said:
If occupy had done the things that the Kiev protesters were doing and our government fired upon them as our National Guard and Marines have done, you would support the overthrow of our government by angry mobs of Americans, firing upon our presidents motorcade as he fled??

Of course. I may disagree with them, even think their complete morons, but their still Americans. Any President that would open fire and slaughter hundreds of Americans who are protesting, has already forsaken his duty of the office. Why, are you saying you wouldn't do it if they were Tea Partiers?

Hamster Buddha · Jul 18, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Perhaps that's because they don't trust them with the evidence in their hands anymore than you trust the evidence in Moscow's hands!

But there's a difference. The Russians are trying to cover up their involvement to save from the embarrassment, while the US just wants to establish who did it. They did the same thing with the Korean Flight back in the 80's, holding the black box for over 20 years as I recall. We didn't do that when we shot down that flight (name escapes me) because we aren't afraid of the truth.

Hamster Buddha · Jul 18, 2014

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iguanaman said:
You mean it all goes back to Putin who is funding this counter "revolution". The majority of the Ukraine supports the new Govt. and Putin is sending former Russian military and KGB to try and overthrow it or at least make it too risky for European investment.

I'm not arguing for the Russians, you can check any of my recent posts to see that. But what I'm saying is that all of this stems back to the protests and ensuing revolution. Consequently, that's one reason I think it's laughable to blame anyone other than Russia backed rebels as the missile was launched from within territory they control.

apdst · Jul 18, 2014

Wiggen said:
Yeah, but there's not much he can do about being black.

Shoulda seen the race/victim card coming...lol!

Aren't you embaressed by that being your only defense?

Or, are you suggesting that since he black, we shouldn't expect too much from him?

Wiggen · Jul 18, 2014

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iguanaman said:
It requires training to use that missile system. How was that accomplished without the Russians? It always comes back to them.

Similar missile systems in the U.S. arsenal require six months training for a crew of four. It's doubtful that the 'separists' could have achieved that training without hands on help from the Russians.

Wiggen · Jul 18, 2014

apdst said:
Shoulda seen the race/victim card coming...lol!

Aren't you embaressed by that being your only defense?

Or, are you suggesting that since he black, we shouldn't expect too much from him?

For a 'black man' you sure aren't very sympathetic to the blatant racism faced by the President. You are black, right?

Wiggen · Jul 18, 2014

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AJiveMan said:
Sen. Mark Kirk (R) want's to have anti missile defense systems mounted on all civilian aircraft. Oh what a novel idea, til future hijackers grab more planes and fly them into buildings like on 9/11/01, and while our air force tries to shoot 'em down, the terrorists will be laughing in the cockpits. Does this guy have a brain? Please, no need to answer that one. :roll:

It's an idiotic suggestion from somebody with no concept of air defense. There are no anti-missile defense systems. There are sophisticated and not so sophisticated ways of distracting and deflecting a missile, but it's a 'missile avoidance' system, not missile defense.

apdst · Jul 18, 2014

Wiggen said:
For a 'black man' you sure aren't very sympathetic to the blatant racism faced by the President. You are black, right?

And now you're going to question my race!...LOL!

IOW, anyone who crticizes Obama is racist and any black person that doesn't kiss his ass must not be black. Gotcha, sport!

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