You're suggesting that the Russians shot this plane down?
As long as you are willing to give up all logic or sense. Nonsense is easy.
You're suggesting that the Russians shot this plane down?
The US sponsorship of the coup that toppled the Ukrainian government, sent the president fleeing under fire is what was damaging. Russia is responding to US/Western intrigue.
Early on, this seems like FF to me.
Makes Russia look bad to the average brainwashed American, and the anti-Russian chorus in the MSM has just about reached fever pitch.
Who knows if we will ever discover the truth?
No it was a horrible mistake. A mistake that the Russians have full responsibility for. They supplied the missile and launcher and they supplied the training so those East Ukraine dumbasses could use it too. Who else would there be to blame?
And somewhat distracted the public eye from Israel's invasion of Gaza happening pretty much at the same time.
Yeah, it was illogical to draw a red line he never intended to enforce and then another he never intended to enforce, then another...
You're suggesting that the Russians shot this plane down?
Why does everything have to be the Americas fault? Is it so hard to believe that people might not want to be just a proxy state for Russia?
You do realize that the rebels already took credit for the attack, just thought it was a Ukrainian military plane. Why does some people think Russia is the good guy in all this?
The Syrians have given up their chemical weapons so there goes that nonsense.
Oh, it's OUR fault? LOL!
Why do I think there is a fair chance that the US is involved or complicit? Why do I think there is a fair chance that Israel is involved or complicit?
Well, because both those government's have a pretty good track record at deception and false flag operations that involve killing humans, that's why. eace
Not exclusively, there was other western support and encouragement for the overthrow of the Ukrainian government. All Though you would never admit it, had the Ukrainian government decided in the end (last October) to go with the EU and had told Moscow thanks but no thanks, and had Moscow facilitated the overthrow of that government, installing people that they then recognised as the legitimate government, YOU, along with every other patrolling American, the UK and the EU all would be near hysterical right now!!
(CNN) -- A Malaysia Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in eastern Ukraine, Russian news agency Interfax reported Thursday.
From some of the airline geek places I go to:
Flight MH17
777-300
Video (can't be 100% sure if legit)
You'll be happy to know I've already created that thread to indulge your conspiracy theory FF fetish. Have fun.
A Coincidence
Ukrainian rebels (Ukrainian separatists) = Ex Russian military & Ex Russian Intelligence? Yeah, So I think so. Even if not, very suspicious that level of expertise with what has been described as a complex system to operate.
Why does everything have to be the Americas fault? Is it so hard to believe that people might not want to be just a proxy state for Russia?
You do realize that the rebels already took credit for the attack, just thought it was a Ukrainian military plane. Why does some people think Russia is the good guy in all this?
You saying the Ukrainians wanted to be a proxy for Russia then? And didn't want to be more connected with the West? Because if so, I'd love to see your sources on that one.
Ok, but not Russian uniformed military proper from Russian soil, right?
At any rate, the separatists may well have done it, but if so, it was a case of mistaken identity. Every other aircraft they brought down was military. Furthermore, intentionally targeting is hugely injurious to their cause, would bring global condemnation and diminish Moscow's ability to continue to support them. Can you not imagine Russia's words to these separatists, if they found out that a civilian plane was intentionally targeted. I'm sure that even if the Russian government was satisfied that they mistaking lay shot it down that they would still be raising hell with them for their failure to properly identify it, and creating a big mess.
The Ukraine issue didn't just begin last October. There was essentially a tug of war over Ukraine and between the West and Moscow. Negotiations, proposals and offers on both sides for several years. In the end the government of Ukraine decided they would get a better deal with Moscow. That's when the **** hit the fan. A slighted and disgruntled West provoked and facilitated a coup to topple the Ukrainian government, installing a pro Western government, and Russia called bull****, leading to their annexation of Crimea to secure their assets and people's there as well as their support of the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.
Still don't see any sources to that BS. Look, what happened in Ukraine is the same thing that has been happening across Eastern Europe for the past two decades; people are sick and tired of Russia getting involved in their ****. They rose up in force and protested and were met with violence. So the people fought back and ousted the Russia-backed government who wouldn't listen to the demands of the people, and it's as simple as that. Now what you have in Eastern Ukraine is a rebelling that is being supplied and fomented by the Russians to again advance their imperial ambitions. I will say though that in the case of Crimea, it was a bit of sticky issue considering the Russians had a naval base there (despite the fact that the Russians stated that they wouldn't take lands from Ukraine after they left.)
Still don't see any sources to that BS. Look, what happened in Ukraine is the same thing that has been happening across Eastern Europe for the past two decades; people are sick and tired of Russia getting involved in their ****. They rose up in force and protested and were met with violence. So the people fought back and ousted the Russia-backed government who wouldn't listen to the demands of the people, and it's as simple as that. Now what you have in Eastern Ukraine is a rebelling that is being supplied and fomented by the Russians to again advance their imperial ambitions. I will say though that in the case of Crimea, it was a bit of sticky issue considering the Russians had a naval base there (despite the fact that the Russians stated that they wouldn't take lands from Ukraine after they left.)