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Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

Guardian:

"Malaysia's transport minister Liow Tiong Lai said if the plane was shot down "it is an outrage against human decency".

Speaking at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur he announced that Malaysia is sending a team of 62 people to Ukraine. He also defended the route of the plane, pointing out that 15 out of 16 Asia-Pacific airlines fly over Ukraine."

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/...-found-as-anger-at-russia-mounts-live-updates
 
kitcher said:
Guardian:

"Malaysia's transport minister Liow Tiong Lai said if the plane was shot down "it is an outrage against human decency".

Speaking at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur he announced that Malaysia is sending a team of 62 people to Ukraine. He also defended the route of the plane, pointing out that 15 out of 16 Asia-Pacific airlines fly over Ukraine."

MH17 crash: flight recorder found as anger at Russia mounts
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What can they do if Russia has the box. Come to think of it having the box in an unmanipulated original stage may not do any good. What? The pilots are suppose to state which side was shooting at them from that distance?
 
kitcher said:
Guardian:

"Malaysia's transport minister Liow Tiong Lai said if the plane was shot down "it is an outrage against human decency".

Speaking at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur he announced that Malaysia is sending a team of 62 people to Ukraine. He also defended the route of the plane, pointing out that 15 out of 16 Asia-Pacific airlines fly over Ukraine."

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/...-found-as-anger-at-russia-mounts-live-updates
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I can't help but to blame the airline in this situation. Flying over a country in the middle of a civil war shouldn't be a route considered by any airline.

I wonder how many of those 16 asian-pacific airlines will be flying over the Ukraine now. The sad thing is he had to narrow it down to just the asian-pacific ones because everyone else had the common sense to avoid that area.
 
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DDD said:
Among my finest I believe. What do you think? :)
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Don't ask me, I'm even worse in person at detecting sarcasm. I think it's cause I naively think people tell me the truth all the time...

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Naptyme said:
I can't help but to blame the airline in this situation. Flying over a country in the middle of a civil war shouldn't be a route considered by any airline.

I wonder how many of those 16 asian-pacific airlines will be flying over the Ukraine now. The sad thing is he had to narrow it down to just the asian-pacific ones because everyone else had the common sense to avoid that area.
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What I find interesting is that Malysia said in response that they were following "international standards". I don't really know what standards one would have for flying over a war zone, except DONT.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Don't ask me, I'm even worse in person at detecting sarcasm. I think it's cause I naively think people tell me the truth all the time...

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It does get difficult when presented in written and given very little clues and no emoticons.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
What I find interesting is that Malysia said in response that they were following "international standards". I don't really know what standards one would have for flying over a war zone, except DONT.
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D - Danger

O - Orbits

N - Notoriously

T - There
 
DDD said:
What can they do if Russia has the box. Come to think of it having the box in an unmanipulated original stage may not do any good. What? The pilots are suppose to state which side was shooting at them from that distance?
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The black box isn't needed at this point. There is ample evidence what brought the plane down and who did it.
 
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upsideguy said:
Reagan did not start a war on the downing of KAL007, a flight which originated in NY and was shot down by the USSR. No one is going to be stupid enough to start a nuclear war over the downing of an airliner, as egregious an attack that might be... there isn't much that a rational person could do....
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There was only a handful of Americans on that flight.
 
beefheart said:
(CNN) -- A Malaysia Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in eastern Ukraine, Russian news agency Interfax reported Thursday.

From some of the airline geek places I go to:

Flight MH17
777-300

Video (can't be 100% sure if legit)

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Conspiracy Theorists (CTs) are having a field day with this. I think I'll just refer to this particular airline as Conspiracy Airlines from now on...
 
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iguanaman said:
The sanctions ARE working at hurting the Russian economy and have just gotten tougher.

Russia
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The Russians pulled out of Crimea? They haven't? I didn't thnk so.
 
"You people" ? Who you calling "you people"?

Wiggen said:
Why do you people bring Obama into everything? Why don't you give it a rest - just this once. You can continue trashing him on everything else.
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063539280 said:
The rebels shot down a cargo plane on Monday.

You have your money on the Ukraines?
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The "rebels" have shot down near a dozen military aircraft, this is civilian. If they shot it down, it was sure to be an accident. Shooting down a civilian airliner wouldn't advance their cause one bit, and just as was the case in Syria and president Assad, it would make it more difficult for Russia to support them.
 
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Higgins86 said:
How many planes have they brought down recently?
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Considering the Russian separatists don't have planes, I'd say probably none.
 
Wiggen said:
Why do you people bring Obama into everything? Why don't you give it a rest - just this once. You can continue trashing him on everything else.
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I can't imagine why we do. It's not like he's an actual leader that is able to meet the demands of being a national leader. He's a joke, not a leader.
 
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upsideguy said:
No, it was a Korean flight to Seoul, but why quibble with facts on this board, no one else does.... It was actually the 2nd Russian shooting of a Korean plane... they also did it in 1978, but only 2 people were killed. The US is not pure in this arena either, as we shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988.

Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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If it were to be determined that Ukraine shot down the plane, they will get the benefit of the doubt that the US did regarding the Iranian airline shot down. If its determined that the Russian separatists did it, it will be intentional. That's how these things work.
 
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RDS said:
Put all speculations aside. Just wait for the answers. The U.S. has sophisticated technologies that can detect missile launches.
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And too has motive to bend the truth. Gladiator makes a great point in post 275.
 
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Montecresto said:
The "rebels" have shot down near a dozen military aircraft, this is civilian. If they shot it down, it was sure to be an accident. Shooting down a civilian airliner wouldn't advance their cause one bit, and just as was the case in Syria and president Assad, it would make it more difficult for Russia to support them.
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The invasion of Ukraine wasn't an accident.
 
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Lutherf said:
Extending the invitation isn't the same as accepting them as a member. As I said, the objective is to get Russia to back off and to get the separatists to deescalate their military actions. The best outcome is a diplomatic solution but in order to give that a chance we need to get the shooting stopped.
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Self determination!
 
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CRUE CAB said:
There was only a handful of Americans on that flight.
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189 from the Netherlands
44 from Malaysia
27 from Australia
12 from Indonesia
9 from the United Kingdom
4 from Belgium
4 from Germany
3 from the Philippines
1 from Canada
1 from New Zealand

of 4 passengers there nationality has not been verified.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Unless they have covert Russian assistance, which we know they've been doing since this crisis began.
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Shooting down a civilian airliner is HUGELY damaging to the Russian and Russian separatists cause, other than an accident, this makes no sense.
 
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DDD said:
Except Russia.

The reason is not only because they poses the box and thus would not manipulate it, but because Russia would never use the opportunity to demonize Ukraine. It is just not how Russia operates. It just promotes the "truth" not propaganda aimed at invading and annexing foreign territories!
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Wrong, EVERY party involved will be manipulative, Russia is no better and no worse.
 
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