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Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

Obama may be forced to give a speech and the WH may even create a hashtag.
 
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Has to be Bush's fault.

Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough. I am wading through this to see the first poster to blame this on Obama.... I thought I would see it within a dozen posts, but not yet...
 
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Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough.
BS, all bad things have been their fault in this nation since the day they were born. And you know it. Dont be a con schill.
 
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A mistake does not need a motive.

Soviet fighters shot down a US civilian flight to Japan by mistake during the 1980s.

No, it was a Korean flight to Seoul, but why quibble with facts on this board, no one else does.... It was actually the 2nd Russian shooting of a Korean plane... they also did it in 1978, but only 2 people were killed. The US is not pure in this arena either, as we shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988.

Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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BS, all bad things have been their fault in this nation since the day they were born. And you know it. Dont be a con schill.

Nope... just the economy, Iraq and Afghanistan....
 
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Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough. I am wading through this to see the first poster to blame this on Obama.... I thought I would see it within a dozen posts, but not yet...

Had to rush in to cover Obama's ass?
 
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Really? What kind of consequences and enforced by whom? Obama isn't going to do anything substantive and neither is Merkel. The Europeans and Americans will make tv appearances and wag their fingers but that's going to be the extent of it.

...and you propose what?
 
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Had to rush in to cover Obama's ass?

No, just enjoy finding asinine statements on DP.... you thinking his ass needs coverage on this one might be a candidate.
 
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A plane full of Americas was brought up. I say we would do nothing had that been an airliner full of US citizens.

Reagan did not start a war on the downing of KAL007, a flight which originated in NY and was shot down by the USSR. No one is going to be stupid enough to start a nuclear war over the downing of an airliner, as egregious an attack that might be... there isn't much that a rational person could do....
 
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Actually I was making more during the Bush years then at any time of Obama.

So was I, but debating anecdotes is not a debate. Macroeconomics is not personal.
 
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Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough. I am wading through this to see the first poster to blame this on Obama.... I thought I would see it within a dozen posts, but not yet...

Congratulations, you're the first to bring up Bush. It had to happen at some time.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063539756 said:
Congratulations, you're the first to bring up Bush. It had to happen at some time.

Not true! You know, it gets tiring correcting people that post without doing their research. I was merely responding to someone that was looking for Bush blame in post #18.
 
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...and you propose what?

I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.
 
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I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.

Why would we want Ukraine in NATO? They have no respect for legal and Constitutional transfers of power, they just have "revolutions" every 5 years or so.
 
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Not true! You know, it gets tiring correcting people that post without doing their research. I was merely responding to someone that was looking for Bush blame in post #18.

If nobody blamed Bush, they'd have nothing to argue against. Or the race card, use that to keep them all interested.
 
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I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.

A fair and reasonable response to my post... thank you.

It, unfortunately, is not completely practical as what you propose is a form of brinkmanship (particularly the guarantee of a safe air corridor) that you might need to gauge the consequence of before you draw that line in the sand. In other words, you are one step short of military engagement, which in a nuclear world is a very dangerous place to be. Moreover, it would be one thing to go eyeball to eyeball with the Russians, but they are not in control of this situation... its the Ukrainian separatists at the other end of the conflict. Brinkmanship requires a rational opponent. We do not know if the Ukrainian separatists are rational.
 
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sounds like grounds to carpet bomb the site where the missile came from

So we are going to carpet bomb the area where a mobile rocket launcher stood even though the odds of it still being there or anywhere in the area is very small to non-existent and we will most likely bomb the civilian inhabitants of that area?

And who should do this bombing? Ukraine?
 
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No, just enjoy finding asinine statements on DP.... you thinking his ass needs coverage on this one might be a candidate.

As I stated earlier: this shootdown is a byproduct of Obama's impotency.
 
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A fair and reasonable response to my post... thank you.

It, unfortunately, is not completely practical as what you propose is a form of brinkmanship (particularly the guarantee of a safe air corridor) that you might need to gauge the consequence of before you draw that line in the sand. In other words, you are one step short of military engagement, which in a nuclear world is a very dangerous place to be. Moreover, it would be one thing to go eyeball to eyeball with the Russians, but they are not in control of this situation... its the Ukrainian separatists at the other end of the conflict. Brinkmanship requires a rational opponent. We do not know if the Ukrainian separatists are rational.

The objective is to get the Russians to back off. Once that's done we can let the Ukraine settle things internally.
 
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I think the blame for this one isn't too hard to place. The Separatists have been shooting down planes on a daily basis. Today, they posted that they'd shot down a Ukrainian cargo plane - and then deleted the post once they discovered an airliner had crashed.
It been reported (previously by the Russian Military) that this type of antiaircraft system takes about 2 years to learn how to use. I'd say these so called separatists are also known as "Spetsnaz"
 
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As I stated earlier: this shootdown is a byproduct of Obama's impotency.

did you actually say that? If so, that was priceless. If not, well... thanks for playing.
 
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How come flight TWA 800 had witnesses for vapor trails of a missile, and twisted wreckage by the cockpit, but TWA 800 in New York was ruled a fuel tank explosion by the US; and MH 17 has no vapor trail witnesses, but is ruled by the US as an explosion from a missile? Why not another fuel tank explosion? Underwear bomber? False Flag to get the Ukraine Russian separatists in trouble?

"were divided over the origin.

“One radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down Thursday,” CNN is reporting.

A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit."

"One call was apparently made by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic.

Igor Bezler: “We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).”

Vasili Geranin, a colonel in the main intelligence department Russian Federation armed forces then asks: “Pilots. Where are the pilots?”

Bezler replies: “Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.”



Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 ‘shot down’ on Ukraine-Russia border | News.com.au





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