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Putin and his thugs will have a hard time talking themselves out of this.

The reason why there hasnt been a hard approach on Russia until now isnt Obama, it is sympathies with Russia in Europe, these sympathies have evaporated 10 minutes ago.
 
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Montecresto said:
Civilian airliners?
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Follow the conversation, please. The claim I was responding to was that the separatist aren't likely to shoot down military or civilian planes for fear of Ukrainian repercussions. I pointed out that that theory doesn't hold water given the recent history of separatists shooting down military plane sin the region.

But it should be clear by now with news that is coming in that suspect #1 is Russian Separatists who thought they shot down a military cargo plane.
 
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Ive been reading reports that most airlines have been avoiding that air corridor since hostilities started. The only airlines traveling that route are a couple of Russian airlines (understandable) and Malaysian Airlines- how could Malaysia be so stupid and naive?
 
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rocket88 said:
So send in troops? Is that your answer for everything?
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Send troops, or do nothing? There's no in between? That your idea of leadership?
 
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Montecresto said:
Nobody that matters to the West will believe that a Western recognised and democratic government (and I say that very tongue in cheek) would shoot down a civilian airliner. So no, the reverse doesn't work.
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Yes they would. Youre entertaining it for instance.
 
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Ukrainian aid services say that Pro Russian forces hinder Ukrainian aid workers from gaining acess to the wreck for aid.
 
Seperatists claim to have found the black box and claim that they will hand it over to Russian authorities.
 
Ben K. said:
Typical.
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The more reports come in, the more those people look like scum.

If they really manage to get the black box into Russian authorities those will continously blame it on the Ukrainians and you can expect a farce.
 
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MaggieD said:
Wow. Where they heck did you get that?
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screenshot from Flightradar24.com (made by someone else, not me)

I have the paid version on my android, shows all the airline logos, etc, but the internet site is free, just less info. Click on a plane get all the details. Some areas of the world the tracking is not available, and the planes have to have the proper tracking equipment.

I've used the software many times, cool stuff for airplane geeks.
 
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beefheart said:
Tons of flights from Europe to S. Asia fly over that area, Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia, Eva, JAL, Lufthansa, Air France, etc.

But this plane was at 33,000 feet. Can't come down from a shoulder fired missile, too high.

Russia did shoot down a Ukranian plane a few days ago...
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Russia has been supplying Ukrainian rebels with sophisticated vehicle launched missiles that could easily have brought that airliner down. They used them to bring 2 Ukraine jets down this week. If it was a Russian missile it was Russia to blame.
 
The German said:
The more reports come in, the more those people look like scum.

If they really manage to get the black box into Russian authorities those will continously blame it on the Ukrainians and you can expect a farce.
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It wouldn't matter what evidence was presented to the useful idiots.

Most logical people will know why a black box is being delivered to a country that wasnt the destination, the origin, the crash site or the airline of the flight.
 
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Russian media show this:

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4 French, 35 Dutch, 9 British and 23 American passports.


but considering that they supposedly just survived an air crash - they look pritty clean.

It would also mean that the Russian militants are searching the corpses.
 
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jmotivator said:
Follow the conversation, please. The claim I was responding to was that the separatist aren't likely to shoot down military or civilian planes for fear of Ukrainian repercussions. I pointed out that that theory doesn't hold water given the recent history of separatists shooting down military plane sin the region.

But it should be clear by now with news that is coming in that suspect #1 is Russian Separatists who thought they shot down a military cargo plane.
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It was a question, not an invitation for snark. And I thought our pentagon said the separatists don't have the ability to.
 
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Montecresto said:
It was a question, not an invitation for snark. And I thought our pentagon said the separatists don't have the ability to.
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At this point I wouldn't put much confidence in initial estimations from the Pentagon or CIA. Their track record hasn't been so good lately.

Edit: We have seen reports that the Separatists have BUK SAM missile tanks, a French News reporter has shot a picture of a BUK in the area, and the BUK is quite capable of shooting down a jetliner. The missile has a range of 42km and a max altitude of 25km.
 
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Ben K. said:
Yes they would. Youre entertaining it for instance.
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Us posters don't matter.
 
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jmotivator said:
At this point I wouldn't put much confidence in initial estimations from the Pentagon or CIA. Their track record hasn't been so good lately.
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Lately as in the past 14 years, or do we just mean the last 5-1/2 years?
 
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apdst said:
It mesns that some folks root for the bad guys.
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NO folks ever root for the bad guy, there's just often a disagreement over who the bad guy is.
 
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apdst said:
Send troops, or do nothing? There's no in between? That your idea of leadership?
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There's plenty of in between, what options would you like to have seen explored?
 
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A Dutch passenger apparently made a picture of the palne before he boarded, he uploaded onto facebook with the comment: "Mocht hij verdwijnen , zo ziet hij d'r uit."

Which means "Should it disapear, this is what the plane looks like"

:(
 
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