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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, I have an open mind, and I may not know something....Allow me to outline what I think went on from the reporting I have heard to date...

    I think that rebel separatists with Russian assistance brought down a couple of Military transports before the MH17 flight, and then shot at that one thinking it was another military flight. When they realized their mistake, they clammed up, and went about trying to cover up their mistake by removing, or tampering with evidence. The Russian's that trained them, and possibly assisted them started in with the cover up knowing that our country as it is now with weak leadership wouldn't get to the bottom of anything.

    What do you believe happened?
    I hold this, or a variation of it as most likely. I'm just not willing to commit to such an idea yet.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?

    screw that.
    Oh Gosh. You of all people say so. You posted a video that said in its title "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" and when we watch the video, there is a second-hand report of a wishy-washy *claim* by one unnamed source that some CIA imagery showed some soldiers who "looked Ukrainian, but actually might also be Eastern Ukrainians in similar uniforms." How does that get to be translated into the affirmation "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" ????

    I mean, after this blunder you committed, how do you have the guts to come here and righteously say "The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?"

    Would you please be consistent and coherent and apply your own rules to your own behavior, for a change?

    Shame on you. Wow. Just... wow!

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Oh Gosh. You of all people say so. You posted a video that said in its title "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" and when we watch the video, there is a second-hand report of a wishy-washy *claim* by one unnamed source that some CIA imagery showed some soldiers who "looked Ukrainian, but actually might also be Eastern Ukrainians in similar uniforms." How does that get to be translated into the affirmation "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" ????

    I mean, after this blunder you committed, how do you have the guts to come here and righteously say "The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?"

    Would you please be consistent and coherent and apply your own rules to your own behavior, for a change?

    Shame on you. Wow. Just... wow!
    Wow, just wow!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    If he's laughing he won't get the last laugh. The sanctions are crippling the Russian economy and stock market. Once Europe decides he can keep his oil and gas his economy will tank.
    Yep, I read yesterday a financial analysis saying that if Europe is truly committed to a trade and financial blockade war against Putin (like Obama is calling for), in spite of all the catastrophic predictions about Europe's dependence on Putin's natural gas, Europe will win this war hands down and rather fast, and Russia's economy will be thoroughly destroyed much before Europe feels any sizable effects, indicating that Putin would blink way sooner, or be ousted by outraged former allies (the Russian oligarchs).

    I thought this evaluation was a bit optimistic... [and no, unfortunately I didn't keep the link - short of going back to it by my browsing history - and I browsed dozens and dozens of sites yesterday and don't feel like going through all the trouble to find the link right now]... but it is interesting to have a contrary opinion to all the fearmongers in Europe who think they can't touch Mr. Putin or else the natural gas pipes will shut down and Europe will crumble to pieces.

    After all, Europe is a very diverse economy, while Putin is a mono-economy based almost exclusively (in every way that matters in macro-economic terms) on selling energy to European buyers.

    Oh sure, Putin would try to sell elsewhere... but there isn't any infrastructure to send the goodies to other buyers in short notice.

    The source predicted a hugely damaging collapse of the Russian economy with the domestic market rebelling against Putin, regardless of how far away Russian elections are scheduled (2018). The source said that the only thing stopping this from happening is the excessive timidity and fear of European leaders.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Oh Gosh. You of all people say so. You posted a video that said in its title "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" and when we watch the video, there is a second-hand report of a wishy-washy *claim* by one unnamed source that some CIA imagery showed some soldiers who "looked Ukrainian, but actually might also be Eastern Ukrainians in similar uniforms." How does that get to be translated into the affirmation "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" ????

    I mean, after this blunder you committed, how do you have the guts to come here and righteously say "The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?"

    Would you please be consistent and coherent and apply your own rules to your own behavior, for a change?

    Shame on you. Wow. Just... wow!
    You have a point to an extent. However, I was offering additional information instead of a basis as a solid belief.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow, just wow!
    Glad that you agree. [Insert sarcasm here]

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You have a point to an extent. However, I was offering additional information instead of a basis as a solid belief.
    Good. It's actually commendable that you manned up and took it back... to an extent.

    Maybe you're not a lost cause after all, hehe.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    The sanctions are biting Putin and it will get worse for Putin. We actually have a president that thinks vs. the last one. And btw Obama is doing a lot more than Bush did regarding Georgia. But that wouldn't take much as Bush didn't do squat.
    Yes, yes, the great thinking community organizer, so thoughtful that he jumped to President of the USA. Please. If is doing any thinking of his own, it's a waste because he comes up with the wrong answer. And we are the ones who pay for it.

    We need strong leadership and a man that is willing to back up what he says. Though Bush was not a favorite of mine, he was very strong on national security, and the world respected us. He misjudged Putin, he should have seen him for what he was. But Putin has absolutely no respect for Obama, and will do as he pleases.

    Obama even told Putin's lackey not to worry, after the election he will be able to kiss Putin's behind without any worries.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yes, yes, the great thinking community organizer, so thoughtful that he jumped to President of the USA. Please. If is doing any thinking of his own, it's a waste because he comes up with the wrong answer. And we are the ones who pay for it.

    We need strong leadership and a man that is willing to back up what he says. Though Bush was not a favorite of mine, he was very strong on national security, and the world respected us. He misjudged Putin, he should have seen him for what he was. But Putin has absolutely no respect for Obama, and will do as he pleases.

    Obama even told Putin's lackey not to worry, after the election he will be able to kiss Putin's behind without any worries.
    Putin has absolutely no respect for Obama or his predecessors foreign policy. But then neither do many Americans.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Btw, IMO, if the rebels had not illegally overthrown the legally elected (though corrupt) government (and had America/the West not supported them) and just waited for the next election to toss them out...then none of this probably would have happened.

    The Crimea would still be part of Ukraine, the Civil War would not have begun and MH17 would not have been shot down...and a whole lot of people that are now dead would probably still be alive.

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