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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I believe the separatists were behind this.

    But after everything I've seen the past few years, I trust absolutely nothing that Obama and his administration says. Most clueless foreign policy president of all time, and domestically the most corrupt.
    Besides.

    What would the separatists gain from it?

    It's a win for the Ukraine if they can blame it on them.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I believe the separatists were behind this.

    But after everything I've seen the past few years, I trust absolutely nothing that Obama and his administration says. Most clueless foreign policy president of all time, and domestically the most corrupt.
    Yeah, ok. But they're not lying about this.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Are reports from D.C. or Kiev more reliable? That is the only other option available at present. Both sides would have their reasons to lie, but I think the best test is to see if someone is making a claim that anyone can prove or disprove. Specific statements about what the online videos contain can be checked by any enterprising individual with an Internet connection so it is less likely to be a lie. D.C. and Kiev are, on the other hand, claiming they have some data or material that they are not sharing with anyone saying so and so did such and such. What they do share is stuff that can be easily faked and they already have been caught faking similar evidence before.



    Well the Youtube data says the video was created a day prior to the plane being shot down. That may be taken at first as suggesting it was pre-planned or it could be that the video was created the day prior regarding another incident and subsequently altered to make it seem like it was about the airliner.


    Enterprising individuals do verify this stuff. There's usually a lag between the CT claim and somebody bothering to debunk.

    https://gist.github.com/klaufir/d1e694c064322a7fbc15

    Of course, it doesn't matter if it is debunked. Once the disinformation is out there people will still claim it as fact months down the line.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    We all know that there is an information/misinformation/PR war going on, from the beginning of this conflict.

    For Moscow: Separatists or "self-defense fighters" = angels. Can do no wrong.
    Ukrainian soldiers = murderers, torturers, right-wing thugs
    Kiev/US/EU: Evil, conspirators, full of hidden agendas, bent on expanding NATO into the core of Moscow

    For Kiev//US/EU: Separatists = terrorists, murderers, torturers
    Moscow: Evil, conspirators, full of hidden agendas, bent on destabilizing and annexing Ukraine
    Kiev/US/EU = angels, can do no wrong

    What else is news?

    Now, given this impossible cloud of contradicting information, what do you think? Who shot down MH17?
    I think it makes more sense that the people who we know definitively have the technical and operational capabilities to shoot down the airliner are the ones who shot down the airliner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Enterprising individuals do verify this stuff. There's usually a lag between the CT claim and somebody bothering to debunk.

    https://gist.github.com/klaufir/d1e694c064322a7fbc15

    Of course, it doesn't matter if it is debunked. Once the disinformation is out there people will still claim it as fact months down the line.
    Wow, you kind of just glossed over everything else and focused only on the thing that I was not giving much credence.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Enterprising individuals do verify this stuff. There's usually a lag between the CT claim and somebody bothering to debunk.

    https://gist.github.com/klaufir/d1e694c064322a7fbc15

    Of course, it doesn't matter if it is debunked. Once the disinformation is out there people will still claim it as fact months down the line.
    Hell! Look at Iraq, years!!
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post



    Wow, you kind of just glossed over everything else and focused only on the thing that I was not giving much credence.
    Everything else you said in
    that post was speculation and opinion I don't disagree with or am in no position to argue.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I see you have already assigned motive to the removal. What if they are just preparing it for shipment to be examined?

    Do you know the facts with any certainty?

    Keep an open mind please.
    Oh, I have an open mind, and I may not know something....Allow me to outline what I think went on from the reporting I have heard to date...

    I think that rebel separatists with Russian assistance brought down a couple of Military transports before the MH17 flight, and then shot at that one thinking it was another military flight. When they realized their mistake, they clammed up, and went about trying to cover up their mistake by removing, or tampering with evidence. The Russian's that trained them, and possibly assisted them started in with the cover up knowing that our country as it is now with weak leadership wouldn't get to the bottom of anything.

    What do you believe happened?
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Sure we did, and John Wayne lept from his grave and killed a few commies to boot!
    Oh please... I see by your response here that you know that Obama is weak so instead of talk honestly about it, you have to resort to childish retort that is largely useless....
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, I have an open mind, and I may not know something....Allow me to outline what I think went on from the reporting I have heard to date...

    I think that rebel separatists with Russian assistance brought down a couple of Military transports before the MH17 flight, and then shot at that one thinking it was another military flight. When they realized their mistake, they clammed up, and went about trying to cover up their mistake by removing, or tampering with evidence. The Russian's that trained them, and possibly assisted them started in with the cover up knowing that our country as it is now with weak leadership wouldn't get to the bottom of anything.

    What do you believe happened?
    Your scenario could be the way things happened, but still too soon to make declarations. Check out MrFirst's post #38 in the Russian profile thread in the Europe forum.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 07-22-14 at 02:10 PM.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please... I see by your response here that you know that Obama is weak so instead of talk honestly about it, you have to resort to childish retort that is largely useless....
    I was raised that the one that jumps to the fight is the weak one.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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