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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The link I posted shows it was likely a SA-11 with a fragmentary-warhead. If the article is correct, it is plausible the shrapnel took out the pilots, and not the plane. It could have flown unpiloted for a hundred miles or more before impact. It could have been shot down over the Ukraine controlled area...
    I think the removal of evidence is troubling, and shows that the rebels don't want to be scrutinized...
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think the removal of evidence is troubling, and shows that the rebels don't want to be scrutinized...
    I see you have already assigned motive to the removal. What if they are just preparing it for shipment to be examined?

    Do you know the facts with any certainty?

    Keep an open mind please.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Are you sure the Ukrainians don;t have any?

    What makes you so positive?
    Additional news and information:

    Russia supplied missile launchers to separatists, U.S. official says - The Washington Post

    Obama Says Plane Was Shot Down From Rebel-Held Ukraine Area

    It's been reported that the missile that brought down the aircraft was launched from rebel held territory. Where else besides Russia would the rebels obtain the system, and where else besides Russian expertise to launch it? Also reported is that they've been shooting down Ukrainian military cargo aircraft using the same system. Rebels posted bragging of getting another one (military cargo & fighter aircraft) on Twitter.

    So, yes, I think it quite reasonable to conclude that it was the rebels with the needed expertise supplied by Russia (one way or another).
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If not by Russia directly, than with support of Russia, yes...These systems are not something that can just be walked up to and push a button and away you go....It takes training and support.
    What brought down that plane, has yet to be confirmed.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    But he's right.



    The shrapnel impact patterns on the aircraft skin proves it was a anti-aircraft missile, and who in the area has / had those types of systems? Russia.

    We also know that it takes 6 months of training to operate the system, which the Rebels don't have, and we also know that there are ex-Russian Military and ex-Russian intelligence officers as part of the rebel forces (probably assigned there by Putin).

    So what more do you want to know about all this before reaching a conclusion? How much more evidence and logic do you need?
    Even LoP's link didn't say it "proves" it was a BUK missile.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think the removal of evidence is troubling, and shows that the rebels don't want to be scrutinized...
    It could very well show that. It could also demonstrate that they don't trust Kiev in possession of evidence too.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Additional news and information:

    Russia supplied missile launchers to separatists, U.S. official says - The Washington Post

    Obama Says Plane Was Shot Down From Rebel-Held Ukraine Area

    It's been reported that the missile that brought down the aircraft was launched from rebel held territory. Where else besides Russia would the rebels obtain the system, and where else besides Russian expertise to launch it? Also reported is that they've been shooting down Ukrainian military cargo aircraft using the same system. Rebels posted bragging of getting another one (military cargo & fighter aircraft) on Twitter.

    So, yes, I think it quite reasonable to conclude that it was the rebels with the needed expertise supplied by Russia (one way or another).
    Those are CLAIMS!
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So?

    Doesn't mean diddly.


    President Obama said Friday that the United States believed that a Malaysian jetliner was shot down by surface-to-air missiles from an area inside Ukraine that is controlled by Russian-backed separatists.
    Since when is "believed" synonomous with "was."

    The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?

    screw that.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The last time an airliner was shot down by Russia, we didn't give Russia chance after chance to come clean, and ask pretty please either....When we spoke we led from the front....Not this pansy ass way of talking today...
    Sure we did, and John Wayne lept from his grave and killed a few commies to boot!
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    I believe the separatists were behind this.

    But after everything I've seen the past few years, I trust absolutely nothing that Obama and his administration says. Most clueless foreign policy president of all time, and domestically the most corrupt.

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