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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Digging? I am not digging anything...



    Yes, and was roundly criticized for not saying something sooner, but I'd like to compare and contrast the difference in actual reactions and what will be done...On the one hand you have Reagan at the time painting with bold language, and no fear in calling Russia what it was for that act, "barbarians"....Also, he demanded that Russia come out with the truth, and pay reparations to the families of the flight, and to put a cherry on top, he used the incident at the time to further his agenda of Nuclear disarmament. Now, look at today. You have a President afraid to even call out the Russian's for being behind this at all....No comparison.



    You call MediaMatters "balance"? Anything but....

    Bottom line is that this incident, along with the myriad of others only serves to show what a weak President we have at the moment.
    What do expect our CIC to do, send troops, get inviolved in another war? Short of that there is nothing else he can do.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Our standing has improved substantially since we got rid of Dumbya. Not sure what planet you live on.
    Pass that joint this way because that's some good **** you're smoking.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Again, what are you talking about? There are no links in your post. Care to come down from your high horse and point to me where are the links and sublinks you are talking about? I said, I'll be happy to explore, but I can't explore if you don't show me the links. Your post only contains an embedded YouTube video clip.
    The link is on Youtube. My words were: "If you follow the link in YouTube." What did you think that meant?

    When I asked, I assumed you saw the link, but here it is:

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20...ee-in-ukraine/

    There are several links within links once you get there.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Here is some of what is being said about Kiev's "evidence":

    ITAR-TASS: Russia - Kiev

    Key Piece of Video

    Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity | Zero Hedge

    Their statements about the videos seem fairly credible given their specificity. It would be easy for anyone to check their allegations. Of course, that Kiev is fabricating evidence is not surprising given how often they have been caught putting out fake proof. Hilariously, or perhaps tragically, the U.S. government may be setting the stage for a global conflagration on the basis of "I saw it on the Internet so it must be true."
    Well, it's hard to uphold as unbiased, a report that comes from... Moscow.... and starts by referring to the pro-Russian separatists as "self-defense fighters".

    Whether or not what they are technically saying about this tape may or may not be accurate... may be also completely made up, including the conspiracy theory element that the tape was made one day before the crash. That sounds awful, frankly, in its tone of "see, they shot the plane, and planed it all one day in advance."

    Tell me, were the tweets that the rebels posted then deleted when they realized the plane was civilian, also fakes made in Kiev?

    Now, the billboard... we see a small fragment of the billboard. Aren't identical billboards present in many different parts of a road or different roads?

    About the images that pretend to be Ukrainian Buk systems, one, they could be totally fabricated, two, rebels a couple of days earlier had boasted about having captured Ukrainian Buk systems, three, Ukraine did say they possess these systems which doesn't mean they were deployed or fired.

    So, no, not very convincing, sorry.
    Last edited by GreatNews2night; 07-22-14 at 12:47 AM.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Well, it's hard to uphold as unbiased, a report that comes from... Moscow.... and starts by referring to the pro-Russian separatists as "self-defense fighters".
    I could say the same thing about the Ukraine. They propagated lie after lie before and after the Crimea incident.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The link is on Youtube. My words were: "If you follow the link in YouTube." What did you think that meant?

    When I asked, I assumed you saw the link, but here it is:

    What Did US Spy Satellites See in Ukraine? | Consortiumnews

    There are several links within links once you get there.
    No, you said "have you followed the attached links and sublinks?" I clicked on your embedded clip, not on "watch on youtube." But OK, I'll explore your link, thanks for repeating it.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Naptyme View Post
    I have no clue what NOTAM is.

    If the airline was following the rules as you say then whomever establishes said rules is at fault. Saving fuel/time at the risk of passengers lives should never be an option. I understand the potential risks that are tied to flying but to fly over a known war zone is simply idiotic. No matter what you say about rules the simple fact is had the airline not put those people in harms way they would be alive right now, or are you arguing otherwise?

    NOTAM = Notice to Airmen.
    A Notice to Airmen (NOTAM or NoTAM) is a notice filed with an aviation authority to alert aircraft pilots of potential hazards along a flight route or at a location that could affect the safety of the flight.[1] NOTAMs are unclassified notices or advisories distributed by means of telecommunication that contain information concerning the establishment, conditions or change in any aeronautical facility, service, procedure or hazard, the timely knowledge of which is essential to personnel and systems concerned with flight operations.[2] NOTAMs are created and transmitted by government agencies and airport operators under guidelines specified by Annex 15: Aeronautical Information Services of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (CICA). The term NOTAM came into common use rather than the more formal Notice to Airmen following the ratification of the CICA, which came into effect on 4 April 1947. Notices to Airmen were normally published in a regular publication by each country's air authorities (e.g., in Flight Magazine in the UK).[3] A number of developments and amendments to the CICA have resulted in the more automated system available today.
    Here is the NOTAM in existence that day:

    URRV V6158/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST
    DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:
    A100 MIMRA - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
    B145 KANON - ASMIL,
    G247 MIMRA - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
    A87 TAMAK - SARNA,
    A102 PENEG - NALEM,
    A225 GUKOL - ODETA,
    A712 TAMAK - SAMBEK NDB (SB),
    B493 FASAD - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
    B947 TAMAK - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
    G118 LATRI - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
    G534 MIMRA - TOROS,
    G904 FASAD - SUTAG,
    R114 BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA)-NALEM.
    SFC - FL320.
    Here is a great article that explains what was restricted and what wasn't: NOTAMs and Malaysia Airlines MH17 | Wandering Aramean


    If you want to go and read NOTAMS in your area put up by the FAA, go here https://notams.aim.faa.gov/notamSearch/

    Usually they are about construction, cranes, paving, etc. If you have flown into or out of SFO this summer, you noticed that 2 of the 4 runways are shut down for work, all summer, this results in several notams for each runway heading the ILS, the PAPI, etc. Each commercial pilot is pre-briefed before flying and reads all NOTAMS, usually they will have them on their charts (many use charts on an I-Pad or laptop), and they may be in the cockpit flight information system.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    No it is has not it has declined it is clearly you living in lala land
    Ah another avid viewer of Faux News. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Even my dog knows that the world was revolted by the dunce cowboy, and all the wars he got us into -- not to mention the economy his administration tanked -- that effected the rest of the world.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obama did respond, appropriately so. I was speaking to a poster who thinks that Obama's being a wus, that we need a tough response, as in a military response. I disagree.
    No, this would not be the time for a military response. But Obama really isn't capable of a tough, strong response. Because Putin (and the world) don't respect him, and know that he is weak, it doesn't matter what he says, it carries no weight. What is he going to do, draw a red line in the sand?
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Did the US push for action against it self when it shot down an Airliner? Nah.
    Just brilliant.
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