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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Geopolitical implications? A passenger plane flies over a known war zone and gets shot down?

    That is not a 'geopolitical implication'...that is either a dumb pilot and/or a dumb air traffic controller (not to excuse those that fired the missile for a second). Would you fly a loaded passenger jet over a known civil war zone where other aircraft had recently been shot down...especially when it is simple to go around it?
    Of course not...not unless you were an idiot.
    This was a horrible mistake that shall obviously not be repeated.

    Most airlines stay away from that region for obvious reasons. And I imagine no airline will go anywhere near that area anytime soon.

    End of 'geopolitical implications'...assuming other unforeseen events do not occur.


    This is a regional civil war that is none of America's business.
    I'm saying geopolitical implications of the full conflict, not just this incident. You are seriously thinking the Ukraine crisis has no geopolitical implications???????

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, and the pilot, who requested 35K ft. Under the direction of the ATC that told him to fly down at 33K ft. And who knows what else he was told. Kiev hasn't released the ATC communications.
    So what? the SAM Buk launcher has the capability to target a plane up to 72K ft.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    russia was pretty quick to retrieve the planes black boxes. will we have to wait 20 years to learn what is on the recorded message, just like we had to wait 20 years for the truth about korean flight 007?
    Or however long Iran had to wait for acknowledgement and apology from the US for their civilian airliner that was shot down? Nobody trusts anybody with the black box. Do you think any parties are beyond tampering with the evidence? There's quite a bit at stake over this whole issue.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Yes, justifiable concerns, but you do realize that 100 billion for the BRICS bank is miniscule, don't you?
    Serious sanctions across the energy, financial, and arms trade sectors can seriously damage Russia's economy *immediately* regardless of any BRICS chest thumping.
    Yes, the amount is practically insignificant. But it's the direction of going away from the dollar that matters. The thought is now being discussed more and more. A decade ago it was almost never discussed.

    And Russia's economy is resource based.

    If America or Europe won't buy Russian resources...I guarantee you other countries will.

    Russia, China sign deal to bypass U.S. dollar

    Russia, China sign deal to bypass U.S. dollar | Al Jazeera America

    Crimea Crisis Pushes Russian Energy to China From Europe

    Crimea Crisis Pushes Russian Energy to China From Europe - Bloomberg


    And these deals are almost certainly not in dollars...which hurts the petrodollar even more.

    Just as America's neighbor Canada is by FAR the largest oil importer of America; there is no reason why China's huge economy could not rely on Russia to provide it's resource needs.


    You are free to believe what you wish, but I believe these sanctions will hurt America FAR more then they will hurt Russia.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, that's what we need in the world right now. You're not in charge of anything are you?
    The people who are in charge seem to be thinking like me, given that both the President of the United States and the United Kingdom Prime Minister are saying similar things.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Hopefully we - and they - have learned from that.
    Unfortunately, every generation has to learn from their own mistakes.

    I sincerely doubt there will be a nuclear WWIII sponsored by bona fide states. What we'll see is rogue groups and terrorists getting hold of nuclear weapons.
    Possibly, but they would like other alternatives to Armageddon, like chem/bio or dirty bombs.

    That's exactly why he might respond to truly crippling sanctions.
    I actually agree if we can get some multi national support, then sanctions to the degree of making it not worth their effort would be effective.

    I just don't think this event is a large enough catalyst for us to engage in that yet. You've got to remember that the economy is globally linked now and whatever we do to affect, even someone as remote as Russia affects the whole. Raising prices for energy across Europe and the backlash from that could possibly cause our fragile recovery from the 2008 Recession to go backwards. The stock market is way over valued and the real economy not up-ticking like they project it to be.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    So what? the SAM Buk launcher has the capability to target a plane up to 72K ft.
    The point was, we don't yet know what the ATC's told the pilot because that hasn't been released.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    The people who are in charge seem to be thinking like me, given that both the President of the United States and the United Kingdom Prime Minister are saying similar things.
    Wtf! They were both saying similar things in Feb of 2003, too! No thanks.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yes, the amount is practically insignificant. But it's the direction of going away from the dollar that matters. The thought is now being discussed more and more. A decade ago it was almost never discussed.

    And Russia's economy is resource based.

    If America or Europe won't buy Russian resources...I guarantee you other countries will.

    Russia, China sign deal to bypass U.S. dollar

    Russia, China sign deal to bypass U.S. dollar | Al Jazeera America

    Crimea Crisis Pushes Russian Energy to China From Europe

    Crimea Crisis Pushes Russian Energy to China From Europe - Bloomberg


    And these deals are almost certainly not in dollars...which hurts the petrodollar even more.

    Just as America's neighbor Canada is by FAR the largest oil importer of America; there is no reason why China's huge economy could not rely on Russia to provide it's resource needs.


    You are free to believe what you wish, but I believe these sanctions will hurt America FAR more then they will hurt Russia.
    They would hurt Europe, but America, not so much. Do look up the numbers regarding our trade relationship with Russia as compared to Europe's.

    The Russian-China gas deal is being blown out of proportion. It is a very slow, long term, and sluggish deal.

    I'm talking about immediate impact.

    Russia is still heavily dependent on Europe's purchases, and China can't replace them in short notice. There aren't even enough pipelines for that. The Russia-China deal will only materialize in ways that matter a decade or two from now.

    Yes, I don't doubt that the economic order is changing and will eventually favor the BRICS, but I'm talking about the immediate, short-term resolution of the Ukraine crisis.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    I'm saying geopolitical implications of the full conflict, not just this incident. You are seriously thinking the Ukraine crisis has no geopolitical implications???????
    None, no.

    Few, yes.

    The only reason this conflict could have geopolitical implications is if the major powers overreact to it...which America seems desperate to do.

    But there is no way anyone could convince me that a civil war in a small part of Ukraine has - in and of itself - huge geopolitical implications. Or even significant ones. This is a regional problem...nothing more.

    And it is their business...no one else's.

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