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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    For Christ's sake, you don't even know what caused this plane to crash.
    Really? You are one of those who deny the obvious?
    What is next, a tin foil hat?

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

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    No doubt that statistically speaking these events are rare. What troubles me is the fact that many companies had *already* avoided that corridor. Why couldn't *all* companies have avoided it?
    Some did, some didn't, depends on the route, the range, on time, etc. It happens.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Really? You are one of those who deny the obvious?
    What is next, a tin foil hat?
    YOU do not know what caused this plane to crash. Or why the requested flight plan of 35K ft was denied. You don't understand what Kiev has to gain by the Russian separatists being blamed for targeting a civilian airline.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

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    I doubt it.


    Russian Approval of Putin Soars to Highest Level in Years
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    Russian Approval of Putin Soars to Highest Level in Years

    As long as the masses love him, he is secure, IMO.


    And sanctions are potentially hurting America more then many think:

    Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad

    Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad

    'Top of the agenda at the sixth summit of the BRICS developing nations beginning Tuesday is the founding of two multilateral financial institutions designed to erode the dominance of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund as arbiters of the global economic system.

    For Russia, the creation of a $100 billion BRICS development bank and a reserve currency fund worth another $100 billion is a political coup. Just as the West freezes Russia out of its own economic system as punishment for its politics in Ukraine, Russia is tying itself into the financial superstructure of the next generation of economic heavyweights: India, Brazil, China and South Africa.'

    Faced With Western Freeze-Out, BRICS Bank Is a Coup for Russia | Business | The Moscow Times

    China has long wanted a U.S. dollar alternative. And now Russia is pushing more actively for it. Add in the other BRIC countries and things may start to get a tad interesting.

    IMO, the U.S. needs the official reserve currency status to keep their Keynesian house of cards 'recovery' going.

    I don't think the reserve status will end anytime soon...but pushing Russia can only facilitate this (what I feel is an) eventuality.
    Yes, justifiable concerns, but you do realize that 100 billion for the BRICS bank is miniscule, don't you?
    Serious sanctions across the energy, financial, and arms trade sectors can seriously damage Russia's economy *immediately* regardless of any BRICS chest thumping.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Yes, justifiable concerns, but you do realize that 100 billion for the BRICS bank is miniscule, don't you?
    Serious sanctions across the energy, financial, and arms trade sectors can seriously damage Russia's economy *immediately* regardless of any BRICS chest thumping.
    Yeah, that's what we need in the world right now. You're not in charge of anything are you?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    What happened has just shown that this is not just a regional conflict.
    This has resulted now in loss of life of numerous Western citizens.
    This has geopolitical implications well beyond the region (e.g., why do you suppose China suddenly became even bolder regarding their regional territory ambitions like the Paracell islands?)
    If the West does nothing, there will be mid and long term consequences.
    Geopolitical implications? A passenger plane flies over a known war zone and gets shot down?

    That is not a 'geopolitical implication'...that is either a dumb pilot and/or a dumb air traffic controller (not to excuse those that fired the missile for a second). Would you fly a loaded passenger jet over a known civil war zone where other aircraft had recently been shot down...especially when it is simple to go around it?
    Of course not...not unless you were an idiot.
    This was a horrible mistake that shall obviously not be repeated.

    Most airlines stay away from that region for obvious reasons. And I imagine no airline will go anywhere near that area anytime soon.

    End of 'geopolitical implications'...assuming other unforeseen events do not occur.


    This is a regional civil war that is none of America's business.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    People think that because it's a very real possibility, remember a little thing called the "Cuban Missile Crisis"? We were one minute from total annihilation.
    Hopefully we - and they - have learned from that.
    The nuke war won't be a result of some leader being stupid, as much as unable to back down from a red line.
    I sincerely doubt there will be a nuclear WWIII sponsored by bona fide states. What we'll see is rogue groups and terrorists getting hold of nuclear weapons.
    Ukraine is vital towards Russia's pipelines and their oil/gas reserves. The same reason they're fighting for Assad to block southern pipelines from the other oil/gas producers competing for European business. His country is floundering financially and he needs all the resources he can get to stay in power.
    That's exactly why he might respond to truly crippling sanctions.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    YOU do not know what caused this plane to crash. Or why the requested flight plan of 35K ft was denied. You don't understand what Kiev has to gain by the Russian separatists being blamed for targeting a civilian airline.
    russia was pretty quick to retrieve the planes black boxes. will we have to wait 20 years to learn what is on the recorded message, just like we had to wait 20 years for the truth about korean flight 007?
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Geopolitical implications? A passenger plane flies over a known war zone and gets shot down?

    That is not a 'geopolitical implication'...that is either a dumb pilot and/or a dumb air traffic controller (not to excuse those that fired the missile for a second). Would you fly a loaded passenger jet over a known civil war zone where other aircraft had recently been shot down...especially when it is simple to go around it?
    Of course not...not unless you were an idiot.
    This was a horrible mistake that shall obviously not be repeated.

    Most airlines stay away from that region for obvious reasons. And I imagine no airline will go anywhere near that area anytime soon.

    End of 'geopolitical implications'...assuming other unforeseen events do not occur.


    This is a regional civil war that is none of America's business.
    Yep, and the pilot, who requested 35K ft. Under the direction of the ATC that told him to fly down at 33K ft. And who knows what else he was told. Kiev hasn't released the ATC communications.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    YOU do not know what caused this plane to crash. Or why the requested flight plan of 35K ft was denied. You don't understand what Kiev has to gain by the Russian separatists being blamed for targeting a civilian airline.
    Yes, I understand what Kiev has to gain. Still, the plane was shot down by stupid and impulsive pro-Russian separatists. That's what *all* the evidence points to, including the efforts from the separatists to hinder the investigation (if evidence of Kiev involvement could be found, they'd *want* an investigation). You want to believe in some obscure Kiev conspiracy, be my guest, and we'll have to agree to disagree.

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