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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why does Obama need to respond. This is between Ukraine, eastern Ukraine Russian separatists and Russia. Or are you just so addicted to US interference in every damn thing that happens around the world that you just can't stand to miss a fight?
    No, he's just addicted to blaming Obama for everything.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    When KAL007 got shot down, Reagan didn't say anything for 4 days..he was on vacation in Santa Barbara.
    Yeah, but that's different, he was a republican.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't think he'll ever say it in that form or will Russia get crippling sanctions over this incident. Now if it keeps happening, like more planes and some ships, then you'll see Europe come together. We can't really do that much on our own against them, short of a nuclear holocaust.
    See, this is what irks me, this feeling of impotence. Yes, we *can* do something, short of a nuclear holocaust.
    Why do people think that any direct confrontation against Russia will necessarily result in a nuclear holocaust?
    Putin is not that stupid.
    He knows that acquiring another chunk of Eastern Ukraine is not worth Russia's annihilation in a nuclear holocaust together with the rest of the world.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    See, this is what irks me, this feeling of impotence. Yes, we *can* do something, short of a nuclear holocaust.
    Why do people think that any direct confrontation against Russia will necessarily result in a nuclear holocaust?
    Putin is not that stupid.
    He knows that acquiring another chunk of Eastern Ukraine is not worth Russia's annihilation in a nuclear holocaust together with the rest of the world.
    Wow! How old are you. Or where have you been?
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why does Obama need to respond. This is between Ukraine, eastern Ukraine Russian separatists and Russia. Or are you just so addicted to US interference in every damn thing that happens around the world that you just can't stand to miss a fight?
    What happened has just shown that this is not just a regional conflict.
    This has resulted now in loss of life of numerous Western citizens.
    This has geopolitical implications well beyond the region (e.g., why do you suppose China suddenly became even bolder regarding their regional territorial ambitions like the Paracell islands?)
    If the West does nothing, there will be mid and long term consequences.
    Last edited by GreatNews2night; 07-20-14 at 01:42 AM.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow! How old are you. Or where have you been?
    Probably well older than you, and I've been right here in the United States plus I've visited extensively dozens of other countries in all continents except Oceania, and have lived and worked for many years in Europe and South America as well. What's your point? Will you start the personal attacks?

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    What happened has just shown that this is not just a regional conflict.
    This has resulted now in loss of life of numerous Western citizens.
    This has geopolitical implications well beyond the region (e.g., why do you suppose China suddenly became even bolder regarding their regional territory ambitions like the Paracell islands?)
    If the West does nothing, there will be mid and long term consequences.
    For Christ's sake, you don't even know what caused this plane to crash.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by kitcher View Post
    Exactly. Putin may not be phased by them yet, but if his friends get pissed, he'll be facing pressure from the one place that matters most: his rich supporters.
    I doubt it.


    Russian Approval of Putin Soars to Highest Level in Years
    Ratings of U.S., European Union leadership sink to record lows, in single digits

    Russian Approval of Putin Soars to Highest Level in Years

    As long as the masses love him, he is secure, IMO.


    And sanctions are potentially hurting America more then many think:

    Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad

    Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad

    'Top of the agenda at the sixth summit of the BRICS developing nations beginning Tuesday is the founding of two multilateral financial institutions designed to erode the dominance of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund as arbiters of the global economic system.

    For Russia, the creation of a $100 billion BRICS development bank and a reserve currency fund worth another $100 billion is a political coup. Just as the West freezes Russia out of its own economic system as punishment for its politics in Ukraine, Russia is tying itself into the financial superstructure of the next generation of economic heavyweights: India, Brazil, China and South Africa.'

    Faced With Western Freeze-Out, BRICS Bank Is a Coup for Russia | Business | The Moscow Times

    China has long wanted a U.S. dollar alternative. And now Russia is pushing more actively for it. Add in the other BRIC countries and things may start to get a tad interesting.

    IMO, the U.S. needs the official reserve currency status to keep their Keynesian house of cards 'recovery' going.

    I don't think the reserve status will end anytime soon...but pushing Russia can only facilitate this (what I feel is an) eventuality.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    See, this is what irks me, this feeling of impotence. Yes, we *can* do something, short of a nuclear holocaust.
    Why do people think that any direct confrontation against Russia will necessarily result in a nuclear holocaust?
    Putin is not that stupid.
    He knows that acquiring another chunk of Eastern Ukraine is not worth Russia's annihilation in a nuclear holocaust together with the rest of the world.
    People think that because it's a very real possibility, remember a little thing called the "Cuban Missile Crisis"? We were one minute from total annihilation.

    The nuke war won't be a result of some leader being stupid, as much as unable to back down from a red line.

    Ukraine is vital towards Russia's pipelines and their oil/gas reserves. The same reason they're fighting for Assad to block southern pipelines from the other oil/gas producers competing for European business. His country is floundering financially and he needs all the resources he can get to stay in power.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Probably well older than you, and I've been right here in the United States plus I've visited extensively dozens of other countries in all continents except Oceania, and have lived and worked for many years in Europe and South America as well. What's your point? Will you start the personal attacks?
    Not really. Just wondering what informed your bias.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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