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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    No, there are standard air corridors that are set up globally. Airlines fly those corridors, usually from an ILS station to another ILS station. Autopilot stores all of the way points in the plane's computer and flies from waypoint to waypoint. The NOTAM covered the dangers in the area, but advised airliners to stay above 32K, which is what MH17 did, just like every other plane in the area. Just like they do every single day and night all over the world. You don't know how airlines work.
    I don't know how airlines work? Hmmm, fair enough. Would it be fair for me to extend to those who know how airlines work, and particularly those that fly over war zones, that they don't know how wars, terrorism, and international conflict work?

    As I already mentioned, several airlines withdrew their flight plans weeks and months ago from not only the eastern Ukraine, but the whole nation altogether.

    All airlines don't think the same apparently.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Putin wants to survive politically. I don't think he wants a big economic crisis out of truly biting sanctions, which might turn the domestic politics against him. "It's the economy, stupid," would say Clinton. If huge or all sectors of Russian economy are shot down, Putin's strategy goes down the drains.

    His whole strategy so far has been one of dividing the US and Europe, and one of counting on Europe's dependence on his gas.

    Now, this event is likely to be a divisor of waters and to turn the international community overwhelmingly against him. Smart and bent on survival as he is, he could very well change his tune.

    But it won't happen without strong Western action and united front.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Sure. I was on Flight24 as soon as I heard about the crash, Thai had a plane, EVA had a plane, Singapore had a few planes, I saw a LH 747-800, Transaero, and Qatar and a Malaysia A380 over the area. I've flown a few of those airlines, no problem. Hell, I've flown lots worse things than a nice Malaysia 777. Try flying transatlantic in a 30 year old Ilyushin 64M, or Tupolev 134 or 154, been there done that. You look at the risk compared to the number of flights, not a problem. Flew on some really dodgy airlines to..try flying on a Laotian airline, tons of fun.

    Stuff happens. My airline never had a crash, never had a loss of life.
    Tons of fun, huh? Well, good for you. But go talk to the relatives of the 298 passengers and crew of the Malaysian 17 flight, they might think differently.

    Me, I'm a lot more scared. I think the worse I've ever flown was Royal Air Maroc and Lloyd Aereo Boliviano, and this was years ago. Today, I wouldn't fly with these, either.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What was it you'd like to see?
    Already posted that, but Obama is incapable of a strong response.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Well, good for you. But go talk to the relatives of the 298 passengers and crew of the Malaysian 17 flight, they might think differently.

    Me, I'm a lot more scared. I think the worse I've ever flown was Royal Air Maroc and Lloyd Aereo Boliviano, and this was years ago. Today, I wouldn't fly with these, either.
    Well, I spent 14 years working in the airlines, am an aviation geek and have lots of friends that for the majors. Malaysia did nothing wrong...if their flight was 5 minutes early or late it could have been Thai, Lufthansa, Transaero. They were all flying correctly according to the rules. The odds of a missile shot are rare, very rare. I used to work with the husband of the Value Jet crash, that airline was a crash waiting to happen, ironically, the crash was not their fault. I've flown dozens of airlines all over the world, not afraid, stuff happens, very rarely.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Yes, sure. I'm saying, he'd be saying this *after* truly crippling sanctions were put in place. I don't expect him to spontaneously say so.

    I don't think he'll ever say it in that form or will Russia get crippling sanctions over this incident. Now if it keeps happening, like more planes and some ships, then you'll see Europe come together. We can't really do that much on our own against them, short of a nuclear holocaust.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Already posted that, but Obama is incapable of a strong response.
    When KAL007 got shot down, Reagan didn't say anything for 4 days..he was on vacation in Santa Barbara.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Well, I spent 14 years working in the airlines, am an aviation geek and have lots of friends that for the majors. Malaysia did nothing wrong...if their flight was 5 minutes early or late it could have been Thai, Lufthansa, Transaero. They were all flying correctly according to the rules. The odds of a missile shot are rare, very rare. I used to work with the husband of the Value Jet crash, that airline was a crash waiting to happen, ironically, the crash was not their fault. I've flown dozens of airlines all over the world, not afraid, stuff happens, very rarely.
    No doubt that statistically speaking these events are rare. What troubles me is the fact that many companies had *already* avoided that corridor. Why couldn't *all* companies have avoided it?

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Already posted that, but Obama is incapable of a strong response.
    how do you define "leading from the front" in this situation?

    by the way there is a reason why officers don't normally lead from the front. it is directly related to the number of ranking officers that became casualties during the american civil war.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Already posted that, but Obama is incapable of a strong response.
    Why does Obama need to respond. This is between Ukraine, eastern Ukraine Russian separatists and Russia. Or are you just so addicted to US interference in every damn thing that happens around the world that you just can't stand to miss a fight?
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