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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Western propaganda doin its job.
    I'm a lot better informed than you think. My conclusions are not coming out of Western propaganda. I'm just very angry right now. Russian apologists should be ashamed of themselves.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're forgetting, like most people that Russia still has a substantial military and nuke arsenal. Almost all Wars and fights start out as shoving matches, then escalate. That's why they say historically we stumbled into WWI.

    You throw Russia into that deep a financial crisis and one of 2 results occur, a civil War to throw out Putin (dangerous) or a massive response to us in the form of a military threat (very dangerous).
    Not to fear, Murcia can handle it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I haven't seen them have you? I've seen what people have posted but what does that prove, I can't read Russian. However, even if the separatists did shoot that plane down, it was mistaken identity, something others have done as well, including the US and Ukraine.
    Yes, I've seen screen captures, and yes, it's in Russian and I can't read Russian but I have no reason to believe the translations are inaccurate. I haven't seen anybody, not even Russian supporters, saying anything about mistranslations.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Doubtful that it would reach nuclear war.
    NATO's military and arsenal outdo Russia's at least 6:1.
    And how is doing nothing any better?
    It will only encourage Russia do do more. Next, they'll be destabilizing Estonia and Latvia and Moldova.
    No, doing nothing and appeasing is what causes even worse consequences.
    Kinda like we've been doing all over the ME for a couple decades. Yeah, could be problematic.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Doubtful?

    Is it really worth that yet?

    I didn't say, do nothing. But it has to be measured in just the right amount to buckle them but not break. If Russia ever went that far to destabilizing, they'd be economically ostracized by the world, which even they wouldn't to fight all at once.
    Well, the sanctions could have an easy end in sight: seal the border with Ukraine and dis-authorize the rebels and sanctions will be immediately lifted.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Kinda like we've been doing all over the ME for a couple decades. Yeah, could be problematic.
    that is a far more complicated situation. The analogy doesn't apply.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Well, obviously they were wrong, and those other airlines were wrong too.
    Why are you trying to justify their boneheaded decision?
    The airlines that changed their patterns way ahead of this were obviously the ones that were right about it.
    Do you seriously say otherwise?

    You know, the simplest thing - as a parent, my son was traveling in Russia at the time, and then in Eastern Europe. I told him, "make sure you stay way clear of Ukraine." It's called common sense. Why in the hell these handful of airlines who kept flying that corridor didn't have a healthy dose of common sense?
    Pilots and airlines go by the NOTAM, there was a lot of traffic in that area lots of airlines. Sometimes you have to go the direct route, depending on the range of your plane. Not going to change, there have been tens of thousands of flights over that area in last year. Just like everywhere else.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    History shows that inaction if often worse than action.
    History has also shown that action turned out to be worse than inaction would have been.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    I'm a lot better informed than you think. My conclusions are not coming out of Western propaganda. I'm just very angry right now. Russian apologists should be ashamed of themselves.
    Perhaps the same could be said of Western apologists.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    So?

    You mean people can just fly wherever they want, eat their table tray dinner, have a few drinks, and watch the war from the ground view screen on their tv monitor as if it is just a part of their flight benefits?

    I think a lot of people in the west have lost their sense of decency and recognition of the misery about the world as they travel.

    I would never have chosen an airline that was flying over that area, and I travel a great deal, always taking care wherever I go. Check the US State Department STEP program website. I am sure they had some warnings about this.
    No, there are standard air corridors that are set up globally. Airlines fly those corridors, usually from an ILS station to another ILS station. Autopilot stores all of the way points in the plane's computer and flies from waypoint to waypoint. The NOTAM covered the dangers in the area, but advised airliners to stay above 32K, which is what MH17 did, just like every other plane in the area. Just like they do every single day and night all over the world. You don't know how airlines work.
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