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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Possibly so. I haven't heard that Putin has even agreed that it was brought down by a SAM. It seems unlikely that anybody knows FOR CERTAIN what brought this plane down. It could also make sense that Putin would be blaming Kiev sense they seem to know for a fact that it was downed by a SAM. Sometimes months and years go by in such investigations before an official conclusive report comes out. You made a good point about TWA 800, where over 100 witness saw what they described as a missile, some what they believed to be a missile coming up from the ground, and yet the "official" report was a fuel tank explosion. In this case, we have few or no witnesses claiming to have seen a missile strike the plane yet Kiev, and Washington have confirmed such, ALREADY??

    "A stream of falsehoods is flowing out of Kiev regarding what is happening," said Lavrov, "They are accusing everyone and everything except for themselves."

    A Western diplomatic source in Moscow said it would be "very difficult" to convince the international opinion that the separatists were not behind the crash.

    Russia has already found some unofficial support from China, where the state news agency said in a commentary that officials from the U.S., Australia and other Western countries had jumped to conclusions in pointing their fingers at the rebels in eastern Ukraine or blaming Russia."

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ia/503755.html




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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

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    Its reality.
    Reality is something some people ain't familiar with, I won't mention names here.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Reality is something some people ain't familiar with, I won't mention names here.
    Personal attack proves my point.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    People who say calling the incident a missile strike is jumping to conclusions are likely to be influenced by their own political agenda. In my understanding, the United States has the capability of tracking missile strikes from satellite surveillance and radar, and this is how Washington knows that it was indeed a surface to air missile. This seems to have been confirmed by radar and heat signatures.

    Pretending otherwise is deliberate political misinformation and absurd denial.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Personal attack proves my point.
    Which was that the military won't shoot down civilian aircraft? I wouldn't hold my breath on that one if I were you.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    People who say calling the incident a missile strike is jumping to conclusions are likely to be influenced by their own political agenda. In my understanding, the United States has the capability of tracking missile strikes from satellite surveillance and radar, and this is how Washington knows that it was indeed a surface to air missile. This seems to have been confirmed by radar and heat signatures.

    Pretending otherwise is deliberate political misinformation and absurd denial.

    Unless you are in Putin's position of having supplied the anti-aircraft missiles, and provided launcher targeting training to otherwise undisciplined volunteer Separatists.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Which was that the military won't shoot down civilian aircraft? I wouldn't hold my breath on that one if I were you.
    Not what I said. I said, no president order a highjacked airlinee to be shot down.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    The Dutch primeminister has called Putin and told him:


    Bam! That`s he language I want to hear from world leaders right now!
    What happens when time runs out? A strongly worded letter?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Obama on Friday has changed tone and significantly upped his approach, if you haven't noticed:

    Obama hits reset button on wobbly public response to Malaysia Airlines shootdown
    As usual, leading from behind.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    People who say calling the incident a missile strike is jumping to conclusions are likely to be influenced by their own political agenda. In my understanding, the United States has the capability of tracking missile strikes from satellite surveillance and radar, and this is how Washington knows that it was indeed a surface to air missile. This seems to have been confirmed by radar and heat signatures.

    Pretending otherwise is deliberate political misinformation and absurd denial.
    That is all well and good, but one must consider the source.

    The Pentagon, sorry to report, is not really a bastion of truth-telling. That was demonstrated during the 911 Commission proceedings. DoD was often revising and editing its prior testimony. They could not quite get their stories straight.

    So I take what they say with a grain of salt.

    I'm certain the technology exists to read the signatures of launched rockets by satellite sensors, but I'm skeptical of what Pentagon says.

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