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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Such an act would not earn them sympathetic attention that would advance their cause, only damage it, and diminish Moscow's ability to continue to support them. I don't know why that theory keeps being advanced.

    I personally have make mis-judgements in the spur of the moment. It was undoubtedly well received by Separatist supporters, to shoot down a Transport plane and a fighter trainer, so maybe they felt they were on a roll.


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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    I personally have make mis-judgements in the spur of the moment. It was undoubtedly well received by Separatist supporters, to shoot down a Transport plane and a fighter trainer, so maybe they felt they were on a roll.


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    Got it! I agree with you that they would be jubilant thinking that they had dropped another Ukrainian military aircraft, but then ****ting a brick when they discovered that it was a civilian aircraft, knowing damn well the trouble they would be in we're it to be confirmed. Still yet, nothing has been proven and Kiev had both the means and motive to drop it themselves.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    The Dutch primeminister has called Putin and told him:

    In a news conference on Saturday, Mr Rutte said he had had an "intense" phone call with Mr Putin.

    "I told him 'time is running out for you to show the world that you have good intentions','' Mr Rutte said.
    Bam! That`s he language I want to hear from world leaders right now!

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    Meanwhile the Chinese have said that Australian and US commentary has been "rash"!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    I personally have make mis-judgements in the spur of the moment. It was undoubtedly well received by Separatist supporters, to shoot down a Transport plane and a fighter trainer, so maybe they felt they were on a roll.


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    There is a big difference between shooting down low flying aircraft with shoulder launched weapons and the way MH17 came down.

    The former is traditional military tactics, the second not so much.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    There is a big difference between shooting down low flying aircraft with shoulder launched weapons and the way MH17 came down.

    The former is traditional military tactics, the second not so much.

    If MH 17 was shot down by mistake, Putin could be expected to claim it was a mistake. Since Putin is trying to blame Kiev for the hostilities in the Ukraine, as leading to MH 17 getting shot down, then that indicates Putin believes MH 17 was shot down deliberately.



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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    If MH 17 was shot down by mistake, Putin could be expected to claim it was a mistake. Since Putin is trying to blame Kiev for the hostilities in the Ukraine, as leading to MH 17 getting shot down, then that indicates Putin knows MH 17 was shot down deliberately.



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    Possibly so. I haven't heard that Putin has even agreed that it was brought down by a SAM. It seems unlikely that anybody knows FOR CERTAIN what brought this plane down. It could also make sense that Putin would be blaming Kiev sense they seem to know for a fact that it was downed by a SAM. Sometimes months and years go by in such investigations before an official conclusive report comes out. You made a good point about TWA 800, where over 100 witness saw what they described as a missile, some what they believed to be a missile coming up from the ground, and yet the "official" report was a fuel tank explosion. In this case, we have few or no witnesses claiming to have seen a missile strike the plane yet Kiev, and Washington have confirmed such, ALREADY??
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    How the **** is this in any possibly conceivable way releated to the subject?!
    Hellifiknow. I'm not the one that started it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    That's naive statement.
    Its reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Possibly so. I haven't heard that Putin has even agreed that it was brought down by a SAM. It seems unlikely that anybody knows FOR CERTAIN what brought this plane down. It could also make sense that Putin would be blaming Kiev sense they seem to know for a fact that it was downed by a SAM. Sometimes months and years go by in such investigations before an official conclusive report comes out. You made a good point about TWA 800, where over 100 witness saw what they described as a missile, some what they believed to be a missile coming up from the ground, and yet the "official" report was a fuel tank explosion. In this case, we have few or no witnesses claiming to have seen a missile strike the plane yet Kiev, and Washington have confirmed such, ALREADY??
    "Russian President Vladimir Putin, of course, is not taking any of this lying down. He fired back at the mounting allegations Thursday, saying “this tragedy would not have occurred if there were peace in that country, or in any case, if hostilities had not resumed in southeast Ukraine. And certainly, the government over whose territory it occurred is responsible for this terrible tragedy.” The Russian media, almost all of which is under Kremlin control, is vigorously promoting the narrative that either Ukrainian military jets shot down the plane or it simply fell apart in the sky."

    Read more: Malaysia Flight: The Plane that Radicalized Ukraine - POLITICO Magazine


    Malaysia Flight: The Plane that Radicalized Ukraine - POLITICO Magazine


    The US knows it was a missile because Satelite images show a heat trace of a missile.


    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The answers regarding TWA 800 can be found on pages 257-259 of the NTSB's report:

    http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf

    With respect to the Malaysian airliner, The Los Angeles Times reported:

    Advanced U.S. satellites played a key role in the determination by intelligence officials that a surface-to-air missile shot down a Malaysian jetliner over Ukraine on Thursday...

    The U.S. Air Force has satellites in high-Earth orbit that use infrared sensors to detect heat from missile and booster plumes against Earth's background. Called the Defense Support Program, the system provides early warning for intercontinental ballistic missile launches.


    High-tech spycraft tracked missile's path to Malaysia Airlines jet - LA Times



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